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Post by mike2 on May 14, 2005 16:13:53 GMT -5
When has Charlie ever connected West Africa with Egypt? Maybe East Africa, but never West Africa.
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 16:15:43 GMT -5
Quit your ridiculous strawmen arguments to yourself alex, nobody mentioned anything like that so quit relentlessly repeating the same crap about me attempting to connect West Africa to Egypt, are you just plain retarded or something? When have I ever made that claim? Quit grasping for straws, I asked about modern Egypt in relation to Africa, what is it doing now? Is it so much more superior to the rest of Africa? And i was referring earlier to your ridiculous chest pounding about the Mediterranean Race being superior and you connecting yourself with civilisations that have nothing to do with you. Why chest-pound about the accomplishments of Greeks, Romans, Turks, Iraqis, and Arabians when they have nothing to do with you? You're a stinking hypocrite. You think Greeks, Turks, or Romans had nothing to do with Egypt? Are you retarded? Have you heard of the massive amount of cultural diffusion between Egypt and Greece? The large numbers of Greek setllers in Egypt? The Greek city the Egyptians allowed to be built in northern Egypt? The accomplishments of Hellenic Alexandria? Numerous North African Roman Emperors? The political influence Egypt had in Roman affairs (Cleopatra-Octavian-Mark Antony ring a bell?) or the fact that Alexander spent more time in Egypt than any other place he conquered or the fact that Cairo became a huge center of learning in the ARab world or that Egyptians financed most phenocianc expeditions or that most of the early Fathers of the Christian church were Egyptian and co-operated much with Greeks and Romans or that Egypt provided most of the food for the Roman Empire or that the fact that Greeks and Asiatics and Romans made a genetic impact on the Egyptian population allowing some Egyptians today to lay claim tot heir accomplishments or that Egypt was the most important Ottoman province...the list goes on and on and on Read "Memory and the Mediterranean" by Fernand Braudel or "Death of the West" by Otto Spengler where he unites Greece and Rome with their Mediterranean counterparts in Magian culture It is undoubtable that Egypt and Egyptians had a huge, colossal influence on Rome and Greece and Turkey and vice-versa. For you to deny that is so hilarous. Egypt was a very integrated part of the Mediterrranean and for most of its history was very involved in the intricacies and politics of the Mediterranean world more than anything else.
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Post by Wadaad on May 14, 2005 16:16:42 GMT -5
the pyramids aren't that impressive; i've seen ant farms do better. ;D red ants or black ants? ;D
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 16:17:09 GMT -5
Does it matter when? What about modern Egypt, is it bthe most advanced country in modern day Africa? Of course it matters. Because if it arouse in an era where other cities were superior, it doesn't matter much. Egypt is among the most advanced countries in Africa. Orascom owns the telecom licenses to many African countries and its not like sub-Saharan Africa is advanced outside of South Africa and Botswana. Furthermore, Egypt doesn't much involve itself with Africa outside of the Nile, it is definitely, undeniably more focused on the Middle East.
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 16:17:24 GMT -5
red ants or black ants? ;D haha, that was actually pretty good
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Post by Minstrel on May 14, 2005 16:29:36 GMT -5
It was founded in and around the 14th century, but in the span of only a few centuries acheived a high degree of socio-economic organisation and architectural sophistication.
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Post by gelaye on May 14, 2005 16:30:29 GMT -5
firstly can i say that the Ancient Egyptians - while they may not have been Sudanid Negroids, it is absolutely stupid to say they had no negroid admixture in them, given the proximity to Nubia etc , it is also genetically proved that the ancient egyptian were practically like modern day ethiopians (to do with haplo groups etc) - also their appearance I believe was not what it is today so don't go saying that they are caucasian like mediteranids today - they would have been mullatoid if anything - most likely like mulatoid north africans today. Also, Axum wasnt a single religious city - if you knew your stuff you would know that this empire stretched over Saudi Arabia too. And it wasn't founded by Arabians - there may have been population movement from arabia to ethiopia, but it was both the indeginous culture and elements from yemeni culture that created the axumite hybridized society. Whats with the rascism too? You actually sound so stupid saying over and over again that blacks are inferior......that stuff is so old school.
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Post by topdog on May 14, 2005 16:43:08 GMT -5
You think Greeks, Turks, or Romans had nothing to do with Egypt? Latter on yes, but that doesn't give YOU the right to chest pound about Greeks, Romans and Turks when they were conquerers who primarily occupied Egypt. Egypt was already a full fledged civilisation before Grrece , Turkey and Rome were. Why did you omit the Nubians? they had just as much to do with Egypt as Romans, Greeks, and Turks, but you either omit them or write them off as docile peoples who did nothing in Egypt, which is false. What about the cultural diffusion between Nubia and Egypt? What about the Nubian settlers and military mercenaries in Egypt? Greeks weren't the only settlers in Egypt. That still gives you no right to chest pounding about Greek civilisation. What about it? Greeks came into Egypt when egyptian civilisation was already thousands of years old. That still doesn't give you the right to chest pound about Mediterraneans being superior and claim Greek civilisation. And for the last time quit your ridiculous strawmen arguments to yourself, I never said Egypt didn't influence Greece or Rome, I said you have no right to chest pound about Greco-Roman civilisation nor lay claim to it.
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 16:46:46 GMT -5
firstly can i say that the Ancient Egyptians - while they may not have been Sudanid Negroids, it is absolutely stupid to say they had no negroid admixture in them, given the proximity to Nubia etc , it is also genetically proved that the ancient egyptian were practically like modern day ethiopians (to do with haplo groups etc) - also their appearance I believe was not what it is today so don't go saying that they are caucasian like mediteranids today - they would have been mullatoid if anything - most likely like mulatoid north africans today. hahaha...you think AEs were like modern Ethiopians. How clueless are you? Who are the mullatoid North Africans of today?
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 16:49:52 GMT -5
It was founded in and around the 14th century, but in the span of only a few centuries acheived a high degree of socio-economic organisation and architectural sophistication. 14th century, eh? Let's see about Cairo around that time: "We arrived in Cairo on Sunday, June 17, 1481. I had come to see the Cairenes and their deeds. However, if I were to write about its wealth and its people, all of this book would not be sufficient. I swear that if it were possible to put Rome, Venice, Milan, Padua, Florence, and four more cities together, they would not equal in wealth and population half that of Cairo." - Rabbi Meshulam of Volterra,m quote in E.N. Adler, Jewish TravelersGotta love Max Rodeneck's Cairo, the City Victorious
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 16:54:59 GMT -5
Latter on yes, but that doesn't give YOU the right to chest pound about Greeks, Romans and Turks when they were conquerers who primarily occupied Egypt. Egypt was already a full fledged civilisation before Grrece , Turkey and Rome were. Why did you omit the Nubians? they had just as much to do with Egypt as Romans, Greeks, and Turks, but you either omit them or write them off as docile peoples who did nothing in Egypt, which is false. What about the cultural diffusion between Nubia and Egypt? What about the Nubian settlers and military mercenaries in Egypt? Greeks weren't the only settlers in Egypt. That still gives you no right to chest pounding about Greek civilisation. What about it? Greeks came into Egypt when egyptian civilisation was already thousands of years old. That still doesn't give you the right to chest pound about Mediterraneans being superior and claim Greek civilisation. And for the last time quit your ridiculous strawmen arguments to yourself, I never said Egypt didn't influence Greece or Rome, I said you have no right to chest pound about Greco-Roman civilisation nor lay claim to it. Did you read anything I said? If Nubians can claim Egypt why can't Egyptians claim other Med civilizations? YOu can see just how much Egypt influenced and was influenced by Greece and Rome and how absolutely involved it was in the Mediterranean world, whether it be interaction with Greeks, Romans, or Phoenicians. Add to this the fact that I have recent non-Egyptian Mediterranean ancestors, the Greeks made considerable contributions to the Egyptian genepool, and that the city I am from was founded by Greeks, it's no secret why I feel a part of something bigger than Egypt. Egypt was involved more strongly and more consistently with other civilizations in the Mediterranean than with Nubia. Egypt interacted considerably with Greece. Anatolia and Levant through all three ancient "Kingdoms", through Greco-Roman times, through Coptic times, through Islamic times, through medieval times, through Ottoman times, and especially through colonial times and the modern era. On the other hand, interaction with Nubia was basically limited to a few ancient dynasties. I'm not going to keep repeating the same points. Egypt is not a black African nation and it never was. Get over it.
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Post by gelaye on May 14, 2005 16:55:49 GMT -5
the mulatoid north africans are EVERYDAY egyptians, moroccans and algerians - not arab polititians taht run these countries - dont post me pics of heads of state and government that look mediteranean - i have been to egypt and seen what the general population looks like, and almost 50% look at least admixtured with aethiopid than 'pure' caucasian arabs.
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Post by alexandrian on May 14, 2005 17:01:51 GMT -5
the mulatoid north africans are EVERYDAY egyptians, moroccans and algerians - not arab polititians taht run these countries - dont post me pics of heads of state and government that look mediteranean - i have been to egypt and seen what the general population looks like, and almost 50% look at least admixtured with aethiopid than 'pure' caucasian arabs. HAHAHAAH....do you believe in the ARab conspiracy theories? You are such a joke. Has it ever occurred to you that the reasons everyday people are darker than their leaders is because they spend their WHOLE days in the hot desert SUN. Hahaha, Mullattoe Egyptians, Algerians, Tunisians. Show me ONE survey that shows Egyptians, Tunisians, or Morroccans to have 50% black African admixture. Can you? I seriously doubt you went to Egypt. If these ARab conspiracy theorists run Egypt then why have two of our four past presidents been half-Sudanese (MOhammed Naguib and Anwar Sadat)? Why are our biggest companies own by Egyptian Coptic Christians? Your above post was by far the stupidest post I have ever read on this forum.
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Post by gulereatie on May 14, 2005 18:03:01 GMT -5
HAHAHAAH....do you believe in the ARab conspiracy theories? You are such a joke. Has it ever occurred to you that the reasons everyday people are darker than their leaders is because they spend their WHOLE days in the hot desert SUN. Hahaha, Mullattoe Egyptians, Algerians, Tunisians. Show me ONE survey that shows Egyptians, Tunisians, or Morroccans to have 50% black African admixture. Can you? I seriously doubt you went to Egypt. If these ARab conspiracy theorists run Egypt then why have two of our four past presidents been half-Sudanese (MOhammed Naguib and Anwar Sadat)? Why are our biggest companies own by Egyptian Coptic Christians? Your above post was by far the stupidest post I have ever read on this forum. not exactly, alexandrian. The leaders of, especially saudi arabia and the gulf states, are of a rather non (pure) arabian origin...though within local leaders(likely due to full arabian origin), they are as (dark) as the "common" people.
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Post by Soomaal on May 14, 2005 18:07:25 GMT -5
Where is the Habashi who started this post, don't ask such questions.
Negroids are humans just like everyone else, every race had slaves and have been slaved. Slavery was like a business nothing else pretty much.
Not all blacks were slaves and some were never slaved ever!!
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