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Post by Igu on May 1, 2005 15:27:32 GMT -5
I agree with you inasmuch that there was not a strong sub-Saharan type strain North of the Sahara, but in the central and southern Sahara the sub-Saharan type strain was very strong. The Sahara did not exist as a desert for all recorded history so there was move ment of peoples in all directions, not to also mention there were areas within the Sahara that are permeable. Analysis of early North African crania do demonstrate that most of the present day people do resemble the ancients but there was an undeniable sprinkling of intermediate and sub-Sahara type people there and these remains date back to the Mid-Holocene. It seems more likely that the predominate strain more than likely absorbed the intermediate and sub-Sahara types. This is very true, But the problem with afrocentrists is that they generalize the case of the sahara over the coastal north africans: The "basic" north africa is coastal; it was him present against the romans, against the phoenicians; against the arabs ...etc.
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Post by topdog on May 1, 2005 15:41:20 GMT -5
This is very true, But the problem with afrocentrists is that they generalize the case of the sahara over the coastal north africans: The "basic" north africa is coastal; it was him present against the romans, against the phoenicians; against the arabs ...etc. I agree that in later historic times the Sahara was and is somewhat of a barrier, but some scholars have overstated it. Often the emphais has been on sub-Saharans not being able to travel through the Sahara and it was often thought that the 'lack' of civilisations in sub-Saharan Africa was in large part due to the Sahara. That notion has since been overturned.
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Post by Berter on May 1, 2005 15:48:26 GMT -5
I agree with you based on the little that I know of this region. This is very fair and objective, the most fair and objective analysis I've seen so far regarding N. Africa and Egypt. How could you agree if you know nothing about NWA!?. I'm north african, would you believe me if I tell that his analysis isnt true!?. The subsaharan admixture in NWA is a recent phenomenon. Btw, I'm not surprised to see that you side him taking into account your past posts.
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Post by topdog on May 1, 2005 15:59:29 GMT -5
How could you agree if you know nothing about NWA!?. I'm north african, would you believe me if I tell that his analysis isnt true!?. The subsaharan admixture in NWA is a recent phenomenon. Btw, I'm not surprised to see that you side him taking into account your past posts. It would help if you would quit continually posting European looking Berbers as 'real Berbers' and show the true diversity of Berbers. The skeletal remains do not lie. Never once did I ever say that coastal North Africa was originally heavily Negroid.
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Post by Berter on May 1, 2005 16:06:32 GMT -5
Hey Charlie Bass (AKA ---Darkstarr). I have discussed this issue before and I do not have much time to waste. Ancient Berberia is present day central and north (coastal) North Africa. We did/do look less or more like these... Case Closed!
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Post by topdog on May 1, 2005 16:11:03 GMT -5
Hey Charlie Bass (AKA ---Darkstarr). Still in fantasy land I see. I just came from a very good gospel service in which my father preached, don't get on my last nerve bombarding me childish nonsense.
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Post by Berter on May 1, 2005 16:21:59 GMT -5
Still in fantasy land I see. I just came from a very good gospel service in which my father preached, don't get on my last nerve bombarding me childish nonsense. Yes, only Jesus and The Bible could help you bear your problems with race, ... you should have suffered a lot in your life from racism and all. Next time, do not try to generalise your problem to others. Yes, we do have mixed people in NA, but those are lost cases!
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Post by topdog on May 1, 2005 16:32:38 GMT -5
Yes, only Jesus and The Bible could help you bear your problems with race, ... you should have suffered a lot in your life from racism and all. Next time, do not try to generalise your problem to others. Yes, we do have mixed people in NA, but those are lost cases! I don't have problems with race and you're in no position to judge me about anything.
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Post by Berter on May 1, 2005 16:37:25 GMT -5
I recognised you from one tactic, common to you and Darkstarr: You both ignore the photos I post. How do you explain we have such people among us!?
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Post by alexandrian on May 1, 2005 16:52:10 GMT -5
Still in fantasy land I see. I just came from a very good gospel service in which my father preached, don't get on my last nerve bombarding me childish nonsense. I've always found black gospel services to be more interesting and engaging than staid and traditonal Orthodox or Catholic masses. I mean, I've never been to a black gospel service, but I'm talking about what I've seen in movies and TV. Just thought I'd mention it, not every discussion needs to be about race, there's more to life than that.
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Post by Criollo on May 1, 2005 17:07:37 GMT -5
I recognised you from one tactic, common to you and Darkstarr: You both ignore the photos I post. How do you explain we have such people among us!? Why are you so absesed with showing pictures of white Berbers are you really that insecure? Why do the Berbers on this board act like that they have to prove to the world that they and their people are white.
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Post by Berter on May 1, 2005 17:09:29 GMT -5
I've always found black gospel services to be more interesting and engaging than staid and traditonal Orthodox or Catholic masses. I mean, I've never been to a black gospel service, but I'm talking about what I've seen in movies and TV. Just thought I'd mention it, not every discussion needs to be about race, there's more to life than that. I personally think the diversity of the human races is the most fascinating reality in nature. I think to it every day and through it I changed my ancient -religious- view of the world. No one could bear the responsability of the differencies observed among men, no one!. You can always wait your savior Jesus, ...to whom people are equal.
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Post by Berter on May 1, 2005 17:16:17 GMT -5
Why are you so absesed with showing pictures of white Berbers are you really that insecure? Why do the Berbers on this board act like that they have to prove to the world that they and their people are white. Posts like this one have been posted million times, ...I answered them. 1) Real berbers are caucasoids, 2) Real berbers are not europeans, 3) It happends that we have white skin.
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Post by Berter on May 1, 2005 17:26:47 GMT -5
Illustration (Proud Berbers from Central Atlass): and from the same page, ... Case Closed !(#2)
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Post by Criollo on May 1, 2005 18:18:32 GMT -5
Posts like this one have been posted million times, ...I answered them. 1) Real berbers are caucasoids, 2) Real berbers are not europeans, 3) It happends that we have white skin. Of course but most NA's are not Berbers.
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