Ardashir
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Post by Ardashir on May 7, 2005 2:59:25 GMT -5
I know the serbs do coz they're naughty but I don't like serb males. I don't mind the women some are really fit, but the men are egoists, obnoxious, smart alecs although not partciularly smart at times, racists and like to provoke fights and stuff. And Serbs are slavs... and orthodox....and oppress the muslims in kosovo. .....And eventually our nomadicophile secular pan-Turkist friend became Muslim and Islamist! ;D
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Post by Ardashir on May 7, 2005 3:01:34 GMT -5
Real Turks are boastful and proud. Ok you're Bulgarian or Albanian or something. Maybe Italian. That's the only "close" thing i can think of. maybe ur pontian or some kind of slav but i doubt it With your definiation of Turk ( being supporter of Pan-Turkism movement,having Turanid feature,...) only 5% of Anatolian Turks may be REAL TURKS!
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Post by Ardashir on May 7, 2005 3:02:44 GMT -5
AND WHO SAID THAT EVEN THE HUNS HAD 100% CENTRAL ASIAN GENES? Huns were utterly Mongoloid! This is an accepted fact and you can't change it!
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Post by Batucan on May 7, 2005 5:54:05 GMT -5
Huns were utterly Mongoloid! This is an accepted fact and you can't change it! Wrong!! It was very difficult to understand Huns' skull shape since they were trying to change their skulls ,most probably to be seemed as wolf. They were psychopatic horrible warriors. But I will give you a study which compares 2000 years old Hun bruials and today's Turks in Anatolia. It shows a clear relation. After the Mongol conquest with Genghis Kagan the Mongol/Tunguz influence has increased in Central Asia and even in Mongolia. " DNA from a 2,000-year-old burial site in Mongolia has revealed new information about the Xiongnu, a nomadic tribe that once reigned in Central Asia. Researchers in France studied DNA from more than 62 skeletons to reconstruct the history and social organization of a long-forgotten culture.
The researchers found that interbreeding between Europeans and Asians occurred much earlier than previously thought. They also found DNA sequences similar to those in present-day Turks, supporting the idea that some of the Turkish people originated in Mongolia.
This is the first time that a complete view of the social organization of an ancient cemetery based on genetic data was obtained,” says Christine Keyser-Tracqui of the Institut de Médecine Légale in Strasbourg, France. “It also helps us understand the history of contacts between the Asiatic and European populations more than 2,000 years ago.
Most scientists had previously thought that people from Asia mixed with Europeans sometime after the 13th century, when Ghengis Khan conquered most of Asia and parts of the Persian Empire. However, Keyser-Tracqui and her coworkers detected DNA sequences from Europeans in the Xiongnu skeletons.
“This suggests that interbreeding between the European and Asian people in this part of the world occurred before the rise of the Xiongnu culture,” says Keyser-Tracqui.
Skeletons from the most recent graves also contained DNA sequences similar to those in people from present-day Turkey. This supports other studies indicating that Turkish tribes originated at least in part in Mongolia at the end of the Xiongnu period. ”www.genomenewsnetwork.org/articles/07_03/ancient.shtm l You see Ardashir. You will revise your wishful thinkings I think. One of the most important part of scientific research is using the right methodology.
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Post by Ardashir on May 7, 2005 9:37:36 GMT -5
Wrong!! It was very difficult to understand Huns' skull shape since they were trying to change their skulls ,most probably to be seemed as wolf. They were psychopatic horrible warriors. But I will give you a study which compares 2000 years old Hun bruials and today's Turks in Anatolia. It shows a clear relation. After the Mongol conquest with Genghis Kagan the Mongol/Tunguz influence has increased in Central Asia and even in Mongolia. " DNA from a 2,000-year-old burial site in Mongolia has revealed new information about the Xiongnu, a nomadic tribe that once reigned in Central Asia. Researchers in France studied DNA from more than 62 skeletons to reconstruct the history and social organization of a long-forgotten culture.
The researchers found that interbreeding between Europeans and Asians occurred much earlier than previously thought. They also found DNA sequences similar to those in present-day Turks, supporting the idea that some of the Turkish people originated in Mongolia.
This is the first time that a complete view of the social organization of an ancient cemetery based on genetic data was obtained,” says Christine Keyser-Tracqui of the Institut de Médecine Légale in Strasbourg, France. “It also helps us understand the history of contacts between the Asiatic and European populations more than 2,000 years ago.
Most scientists had previously thought that people from Asia mixed with Europeans sometime after the 13th century, when Ghengis Khan conquered most of Asia and parts of the Persian Empire. However, Keyser-Tracqui and her coworkers detected DNA sequences from Europeans in the Xiongnu skeletons.
“This suggests that interbreeding between the European and Asian people in this part of the world occurred before the rise of the Xiongnu culture,” says Keyser-Tracqui.
Skeletons from the most recent graves also contained DNA sequences similar to those in people from present-day Turkey. This supports other studies indicating that Turkish tribes originated at least in part in Mongolia at the end of the Xiongnu period. ”www.genomenewsnetwork.org/articles/07_03/ancient.shtm l You see Ardashir. You will revise your wishful thinkings I think. One of the most important part of scientific research is using the right methodology. Batucan! A human can't change him/her skull at all! Please try to be more accurate and logic! Accept that Modern Anatolian Turks have nothing to do with Mongoloid real Turks! Accept! look at this page and see that how your "Nationl hero"!! did look like! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attila_the_hunThe main source for information on Attila is Priscus, a historian who traveled with Maximin on an embassy from Theodosius II in 448. He describes the village the nomadic Huns had built and settled down in as the size of the great city with solid wooden walls. He described Attila himself as:
"short of stature, with a broad chest and a large head; his eyes were small, his beard thin and sprinkled with gray; and he had a flat nose and a swarthy complexion, showing the evidences of his origin."
Attila's physical appearance was probably most likely that of an Eastern Asian or Mongolian type, or perhaps a mixture of this type and the Turkic peoples of central Asia. Indeed, he probably exhibited the characteristic Eastern Asian facial features, which Europeans were not used to seeing, and so they often described him in harsh terms.
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Post by koroglu on May 10, 2005 12:28:55 GMT -5
Wrong!! It was very difficult to understand Huns' skull shape since they were trying to change their skulls ,most probably to be seemed as wolf. They were psychopatic horrible warriors. But I will give you a study which compares 2000 years old Hun bruials and today's Turks in Anatolia. It shows a clear relation. After the Mongol conquest with Genghis Kagan the Mongol/Tunguz influence has increased in Central Asia and even in Mongolia. " DNA from a 2,000-year-old burial site in Mongolia has revealed new information about the Xiongnu, a nomadic tribe that once reigned in Central Asia. Researchers in France studied DNA from more than 62 skeletons to reconstruct the history and social organization of a long-forgotten culture.
The researchers found that interbreeding between Europeans and Asians occurred much earlier than previously thought. They also found DNA sequences similar to those in present-day Turks, supporting the idea that some of the Turkish people originated in Mongolia.
This is the first time that a complete view of the social organization of an ancient cemetery based on genetic data was obtained,” says Christine Keyser-Tracqui of the Institut de Médecine Légale in Strasbourg, France. “It also helps us understand the history of contacts between the Asiatic and European populations more than 2,000 years ago.
Most scientists had previously thought that people from Asia mixed with Europeans sometime after the 13th century, when Ghengis Khan conquered most of Asia and parts of the Persian Empire. However, Keyser-Tracqui and her coworkers detected DNA sequences from Europeans in the Xiongnu skeletons.
“This suggests that interbreeding between the European and Asian people in this part of the world occurred before the rise of the Xiongnu culture,” says Keyser-Tracqui.
Skeletons from the most recent graves also contained DNA sequences similar to those in people from present-day Turkey. This supports other studies indicating that Turkish tribes originated at least in part in Mongolia at the end of the Xiongnu period. ”www.genomenewsnetwork.org/articles/07_03/ancient.shtm l You see Ardashir. You will revise your wishful thinkings I think. One of the most important part of scientific research is using the right methodology. Great text, Batucan!
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Post by kazakuygur1988 on Jun 24, 2005 14:35:41 GMT -5
I know the serbs do coz they're naughty but I don't like serb males. I don't mind the women some are really fit, but the men are egoists, obnoxious, smart alecs although not partciularly smart at times, racists and like to provoke fights and stuff. And Serbs are slavs... and orthodox....and oppress the muslims in kosovo. .....And eventually our nomadicophile secular pan-Turkist friend became Muslim and Islamist! ;D illl never be islamist.
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Post by kazakuygur1988 on Jun 24, 2005 14:47:30 GMT -5
im mormon
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Post by Circe on Jun 24, 2005 18:39:30 GMT -5
Was that a typo? ;D
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Post by ohes on Jun 25, 2005 15:29:03 GMT -5
Batucan, if you claim that anybody that speaks Turkish and feels like a Turk is a Turk, you must be one of the wannabe Turks in Turkey. You probably have non_Turkish blood and to cover for that you are trying to make everybody Turkish. No, a person without Turkish genes can never be a Turk. This is not a menmtal problem, this is a genetic problem. You are not a Turk if you even have only 50% Turkish heritage, not certainly 12.5%. So, Meddish you are an Arab and will never pass as a Turk. I don't think that is a bad thing for you since you seem to be proud of being an Arab anyway.
Also, some people think Turk means Mongolian. That is not correct. Turks originate from current Mongolia but Mongolians weren't there at the time. Due to the climate changes in the Central Asia, they started their long journey towards west. They looked a lot like what they looked like today 2000 years ago. Just look at those genetical research and how Turks seem to be described in ancient Chinese texts. Certainly, the purest of Turks can be found among the Yoruks (nomadic Turkmens) of Anatolia. These people live an isolated life and hardly mix with other Turkish people at all, let alone other ethnic groups.
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Post by Artemidoros on Jun 25, 2005 17:20:43 GMT -5
Someone please tell Turkish geneticists that ohes disagrees with them and to cut the crap ... or else ;D
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Post by kazakuygur1988 on Jun 26, 2005 8:49:51 GMT -5
ohes you're right about everything you said, except for the fact that u said that even if you're 50 percent turk or turkish then you're not a turk. you're sounding like a white supremacist in america or something with your absolutist and totalitarian aversions of reality. you must surely be aware that turkic peoples in many different clans and tribes were ready to accept someone who had at least one turkic grandparent as one of their own so....
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Post by marduk1 on Jul 4, 2005 18:22:21 GMT -5
Could it be? Has David Lane taken up residence in Turkey?
I wonder how the 14 words sound translated into Turkish.
;D
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Post by marduk1 on Jul 4, 2005 18:44:43 GMT -5
I'm so sick of this bullshit "throughout all of history we kicked the most ass and you guys just wet your panties" crap in this long thread.
I'm half Azerbaijani myself and proud of it, but I harbor no hatred for Armenians or Russians or whoever the f*ck else it is that I'm "supposed" to hate because of my mother's ethnicity.
I'm actually a big time Russophile and truly believe that Russia represents the best hope for the future of the world.
I just wish Putin had some balls and would have given the "Orange Revolutionaries" the Grozny treatment.
If only Lukashenko and Putin could change places.
I just see so much of this bullshit bourgeois nationalism and ethnic chauvinism among the Persian intellectual class that I'm just sick to death of it.
"Indians/Pakistanis are burnt black and smell like shit."
"Afghans are illiterate, without any culture or civilization and are only fit to be pack animals and construction workers."
"Turks are morons and faggots."
"Arabs are savages and lizard-eaters and 'tazi'. " (whatever the f*ck that means).
"Our empire was the most tolerant, peaceful and cultured that the world has ever seen."
"We are the superior Aryan race."
And what's really funny is that all of this racial superiority bullshit with neighboring people also coexists with a fawning, servile and sycophantic attitude towards Westerners -- especially Americans.
It's terribly disheartening to see everybody else, from the region and elsewhere, suffering from the same malady.
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Post by murphee on Jul 10, 2005 14:06:05 GMT -5
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