Question for Turks?

[Meddish]

The more I read about the *Turk's* the more confused I become as to just who are the Turks!!!? Ethnicly they seem to be an assortment of various peoples and races Kurds.Armenians,Native Anatolians,Turanids,Mongols,Greeks,Iranids,Arabids,Slavs,Circassians etc etc....Culturaly they are mostly unified by speaking a Turkish language being born in Turkiye and sharing a similar culture mainly Muslim in origin? So is being *Turkish* open to anyone who identifies with being a Turk? or is it an ethnic "racial" dentity only? One of the reasons im so intrested in the Turkish people/culture is im at least 1/8 Turk maybe more racially!? I also look very Turkish and come from a lapsed muslim background(though im not religious) that has strong ties to the Ottoman empire.So if I started speaking turkish and went to live in the country would I be seen as a Turk? or is being Turkish only open to people born there with at least 4 turkish grandparents? Or is it as Mustafa Kemal said "Happy is he who calls himself a Turk" ?

;D

[mike2]

Indeed, Turkish is just a label denoting an Altaic language and national origin. The Turks themselves are incredibly complicated ethnically. They have not only more modern Near Eastern and Turanid admixture, but ancient Anatolian, Greek, Phrygian, Hetto-Iberian, ad nauseum, as well.

[Salvador]

I agree with you both. But I must add. I know a typical Turk when I see one. Typical Turks don't look like Arabs nor South-European for that matter. I can say they have their own look.
That puzzles me a little bit. According to DNA results the central asian component is very small.

[Meddish]

Yes I agree most Turks have that Turkish look which Is I think mainly Dinaric and or Armenoid? Tarkan and or Sultan Mehmet II typifiy that look for me.A long hooked thin nose which is not Arabid.

www.theottomans.org/english/family/index.asp

[koroglu]

Ohhh myyy tangri what do you talk?
Ok listen my friend! My english is not good enough to give you the full answer, but I will give you another short answer. One example: If any of you would be threatening for our nation we would stifle them in their own blood... ASK THE CHINESE MARTYRS FROM TALAS, THE SERBISH MARTYRS FROM KOSOVO-POLJE, THE BRITONS AND THE AUSTRALIANS IN GALLIPOLLI, THE CRUSADERS, THE ARABS, THE INDIANS, THE RUSSIANS... ASK THEM IN , IN MALAZGIRT, JEMEN, CHORASSAN.... ASK THEM WHO THE "TURKS"- THE HUNS, OTTOMANS, MAMELUKS, SELJUKS, ANATOLIANS, TATARS ARE. THEY WILL/WOULD GIVE YOU ALL THE SAME ANSWER!

PS: This is not a provocation


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Turkic_Peoples.png

[Meddish]

I dont understand what you are trying to say?!!?? Are you saying to be a Turk or a Turk is defined by being a violent conqueror? if so thats a funny way to define a race! ;D

P.S I know your English isint very good so I will allow you to elaborate as my Turkish is shit! lutfen!

[uygurkazak1988]

Turks aren't that dinaric as everyone thinks. A turk according to the turkish constitution is someone who was bornin turkey and speaks turkish as his first language, but that's bullcrap.

Real turks, like me, are from the turanid race, originated in the steppes of central asia, being a nomadic people, originally shaman, and of varying religions: turks are mainly muslims, but there are also orthodox gagauz turks in romania, the ancient khazar turks were jewish, there are lots of buddhists, confucian, taoist, and even shaman turks left still. don't worry about religion too much, turks are easily swayed like all nomads.

And the dude is right. Turks to everybody around the world means brutal, merciless killing machine. Unfortunately many peoples hate us because of our glorious victories against them. that's undeniable. unfortunately the ottoman empire had to collapse and screw up our glory.

[Meddish]

uygurkazak1988 said:

Turks aren't that dinaric as everyone thinks. A turk according to the turkish constitution is someone who was bornin turkey and speaks turkish as his first language, but that's bullcrap.

Real turks, like me, are from the turanid race, originated in the steppes of central asia, being a nomadic people, originally shaman, and of varying religions: turks are mainly muslims, but there are also orthodox gagauz turks in romania, the ancient khazar turks were jewish, there are lots of buddhists, confucian, taoist, and even shaman turks left still. don't worry about religion too much, turks are easily swayed like all nomads.

And the dude is right. Turks to everybody around the world means brutal, merciless killing machine. Unfortunately many peoples hate us because of our glorious victories against them. that's undeniable. unfortunately the ottoman empire had to collapse and screw up our glory.

Ok so a real Turk is a Turkman then? so what are all the medd and alpine/armenoid Turks of Turkey then? Just semi-Turks? by the way I dont think you managed to conquer Yemen the Arab tribes were too strong for you! in fact they used to hang your ears from the branches of thier trees And if it wasent for Islam you wouldent have HAD an Ottoman empire lol the people accepted Ottoman rule becasue of the religion otherwise the Arabs would have sent you all packing to Mongolia.

[Circe]

uygurkazak1988 said:

And the dude is right. Turks to everybody around the world means brutal, merciless killing machine.

The fact that you take pride in it doesn't help improve your image...

[koroglu]

Circe said:

The fact that you take pride in it doesn't help improve your image...

[koroglu]

uygurkazak1988 said:

...., and even shaman turks left still.

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Yes, Alevis are moslems with shaman influence; Right..

[Circe]

koroglu said:

and I kiss you back

[koroglu]

Meddish said:

I dont understand what you are trying to say?!!?? Are you saying to be a Turk or a Turk is defined by being a violent conqueror? if so thats a funny way to define a race! ;D

P.S I know your English isint very good so I will allow you to elaborate as my Turkish is shit! lutfen!

Behavior is more important than the subrace!! If you don´t think like a Turk and act like a Turk, it does not profit even if you look like a hun
And about the DNA : Every Turk has original Turkic (central asian) genes!! Maybe 80% or 50% or 30 or maybe 10% MAIN THING IS THAT HE HAS!!

[koroglu]

The europeans kicked our asses? ;D You are realy funny. The Ottomans began to lost battles after hunderts of years.. and you know why? Because they began to recrute Non-Turkic soldiers from Balkan

[nordicyouth]

That's right. Whatever it's name - the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth or Jagiellonian Empire - Poland kept the Turks and Tatars at bay for centuries. The Poles continuously smashed the Turks, culminating in the great victory at Vienna. All this while fighting attritious wars with Russia, Prussia, and Sweden amongst others.

Henerte: interesting how the Polish Commonwealth is never mentioned in Western textbooks. Eastern European history seems to consist of Keivan Rus, Imperial Russia (WWI), and the Soviet bloc. Poland defended Europe from the Turks, Tatars, Soviets, and ended up bringing down the Soviet Union. The Polish resistance (against which all other such movements pale in size and scope except perhaps that of Yugoslavia) tied down 1 million Nazi soldiers in Poland, and fielded 600,000 troops with the Western Allies and up to 1,000,000 with the USSR. That's with a loss of 40% of its population...shame on the French; Slavs are just too ferocious to be occupied by anyone.

I apologize for tooting Poland's horn, but it's all true and swept under the rug.