Israeli Arabs and Palestinian Arabs.

[k5125]

Is it true that some arabs over there who hold Israeli citizenship identify as Israeli rather than palestinian?

I would think that at least some do right?

All these maps and definitions of what exactly a palestinian is confuses the hell out of me.

Not to mention jordan's position on the map, I can't get this transjordan out of my head.

And wasn't palestine always referred to by arabs as part of Syria originally?

[k5125]

Plus Hebrew AND Arabic are the official languages of Israel. Sometimes I forget that and just think its Hebrew.

English isn't even an official language, although it is very widely used, along with Russian I heard because a lot of Russians have been migrating to Israel in the past decade.

[yigal]

English IS an official language

[CooCooCachoo]

There are two types of Jews. Ashkenazi, and Sephardim. And because of the holocaust, Jews don't like to make any distinction on a racial or genetic level...

...No actually I'm joking about that. JEWS ARE FRIGGIN OBSESSED WITH GENETICS... ...and trace back different markers, and all kinds of other bullshit to find out who took a shit and where.

Arab Jews migrate to Israel from countries like Egypt, Iraq, and other very middle eastern countries. And they are much more Arab looking. (I'll have to dig up some pics, but too tired right now.)

There are great Immigration maps out there of where the kikes, (ooops), I mean Jewish people came from in the formation of Israel. Most, as of recent years, are much more Middle Eastern, and they have a lot of kids, and they identify with being Jew-bag.

But yes, Israel is a multicultural mess, with 3 official languages, and a pluralism that makes it barely a country. Besides Arab or Sephardic Jews, there are also Arab-Muslim Israeli citizens. And white equal in most aspects of the law, these "Palestinians" have certain restrictions, that Jews do not. (Like military service I believe. ...Or holding a majority in the Kinessit, although they do have elected seats. ...So it's not necessarily as equal a form of multi-culturalism as one might be comfortable with over here.

Genetic tests have proven a closer kinship between Jews and Palestinians, than most Palestinians would like to believe. (It's like added insult to somehow justify the bullshit they have to go through.)

The conflict in Israel is not necessarily as race based, as it is based on cultural and religious identity. And yeah, the seperate languages only compound the problem. ...And because the world SLOWLY ponders and advocates the idea of a Palestinian State in the West Bank it guarentees no real integration will ever occur, and that the U.S. will have to support that mess for years to come.

But that's the political side. ...The race side is a lot simpler. Genetically, Palestinians are close cousins of most Jewish Israelis.

[k5125]

I don't think the majority of Sephardim or even Mizrahi populations identify with being arab. Even arabs themselves usually don't refer to Sephardim as "Arab Jews" but rather just Jew or Hebrew or Israelite.

Many times when you see a dark Jew also people don't think "arab looking" they just think, that guy looks Jewish. When they see a light blond jew, they say the guy doesn't look Jewish. This is just my experience.

Some Jews from the middle east have even be greatly offended when I have mentioned the "arab jew" term, because Jews and Arabs have always been two separate peoples, even though many Jews spoke the Arab's language.

Plus a lot of Sephardim aren't even arabic speaking, and aren't even from arabic countries. They are from Turkey, Latin America, Greece, and Holland.

As far as Ashkenazim, a good portion look quite "jewish" just like Sephardim, although there are a lot that don't too. We are a mixed bag. There has been a misconception in recent times, especially on the net that ashkenazi jews have blond hair and blue eyes. Many do not, but rather have more oriental features.

There was even a hilarious myth going around on the net that Ariel Sharon had blond hair and blue eyes. I assure you he does not. His hair was naturally black before it went white, and his eyes are brown.

Even in Germany in the 19th century, european jews were called "palestinians" ironically.

[k5125]

My question more though had to do with borders of palestine, definitions of palestine, how Israeli Arabs view themselves vs. Palestinian Arabs or Jordanian Arabs, is Jordan part of Palestine? Is palestine actually part of Syria? etc.

[CooCooCachoo]

Well, the differences are significant enough that many Arab countries have refused to accept diaspora Palestinians, and kept them in refugee camps.

Queen Noor of Jordan is an American who converted to Islam, and became lucky wife #3 of king Huessain over there. She's written several books about her life in Jordan. Jordan is a country that received thousands of Palestinian refugees. ...She covers it in her book.

www.ccds.charlotte.nc.us/History/MidEast/02/ander/ander.htm

I dont' know how integrated Israeli Arabs feel. (Palestinians inside Israel proper.) They probably consider themselves "better off" for taking Israel's offer to become citizens. They're not the ones blowing themselves up in suicide attacks, if that's any positive indicator.

...I've heard they on average work the crappier jobs in Israel. But I have nothing to back that up.

[EternalSemitic]

Posted by: k5125 Posted on: 04/14/2005 at 12:54:36
My question more though had to do with borders of palestine, definitions of palestine, how Israeli Arabs view themselves vs. Palestinian Arabs or Jordanian Arabs, is Jordan part of Palestine? Is palestine actually part of Syria? etc.

i'll tell you what israeli arabs are,they're the fifth column in israel all they know is spawn children,rape our women,provide assistance for palestinian terrorists and after it they have the nerve to demand financial grants from the national insurance.doesnt it bug you?

[CooCooCachoo]

SemiticWarrior said:

i'll tell you what israeli arabs are,they're the fifth column in israel all they know is spawn children,rape our women,provide assistance for palestinian terrorists and after it they have the nerve to demand financial grants from the national insurance.doesnt it bug you?

...No. I'm American.

Sounds like it bugs you though.

Demanding financial grants as a form of financial restitution. Hmmmm..... sounds familiar.

[EternalSemitic]

Demanding financial grants as a form of financial restitution. Hmmmm..... sounds familiar.

i know where're you heading to CooCooCoon

[CooCooCachoo]

SemiticWarrior said:

i know where're you heading to CooCooCoon

Actually was refering to the Holocaust decendants suing the pants off corporate entities who proffited during the holocaust. ...Think it's kind of funny that you would begrudge Palestinians for wanting similar types of reparations.

Hey SemeticWarrior, what's that sound? ...Why it's the sound of another Arab baby being born in Israel!!!

I think you better check your "fighting" strategy. It seems to be a loosing one.

[Bar Amru]

You know what's stupid, the fact is Arabs just don't want a Non-Arab country in there period, I don't see why Israel should give land to the Palestinian Arabs, I mean look at the Arab land in there, you have the entire Middle East filled with Arab countries and they all claim their Arab brotherhood, if that's the case then why should'nt the Palestinian Arabs go to another Arab country near by like Syria and Jordon and live there among their Arab brothers in peace and forget about Israel? is't this fair?

If I was an Arab I would'nt talk about the Jews stealing land because technically speaking the Arab land is in the Arabian desert, not Mesopotamia, not Levant, and not North Africa, these lands belong to its native people and it's been stolen by the Arabs, if we go by the Palestinian example then give the Assyrians their land back, give the Christians of the Levant (Who call themselves Arameans and Phonecians) their land back, give the Egyptians their land back, and give the Berbers their land back too, because the reality is these are not Arab lands, they are stolen and invaded by the Arabs who keep claiming Israel is their land too.

I say ditto to Israel and I hope they keep the land.

[mike2]

My ancestors subjugated the Native Americans and enslaved the blacks when they settled America. I'm not going to go back to England or Germany or Greece because of whose land is historically whose. There are always population movements and we have to live with that. The question isn't what happened in the past; it's where do we go from here.

So you can't justify Israel totally taking back that land from the Palestinians with that logic, because then you could argue that the Hebrews don't really belong there either, and that the land belongs to the Canaanites and Phoenicians who lived in Palestine before the coming of the Israelites. Then Israel really should belong to the people of Lebanon? You see, people move. We can't change those migrations or say whose migration is more important than somebody else's. We have to get along from here on out or everybody is going to be miserable.

[Bar Amru]

Yes Mike, you're right, where do we go from here?

Because Israel exists and the Arabs just have to accept it, just like how the Natives of those areas accepted the fact that their land is pretty much an Arab land today.

[yigal]

Shlama alekh borkhu, what u say is emet 100%