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Post by KLI on Apr 12, 2005 10:52:28 GMT -5
Rap is far from a selectively "black" thing. As more and more young HIspanics feel the same segregation and disenfranchisement as young blacks felt in urban ghettoes, you notice the rise in Hispanic rappers. HIspanic gangs are just as prevalent as black gangs. It's more of a socioeconomic thing. Moreover, rap has a lot of mainstream appeal. Many many young whites like it, and it reaches a lot of popularity among groups of people, that even though they might be "Caucasian", are sometimes not considered "whites" by the mainstream population. Included in these groups are people like Persians, Egyptians, and Hispanics. Rap has a lot of crossover appeal, and spans throughout ethnic groups. Furthermore, if you look at people like Sean Combs and Jay-Z, they were able to use their income they received from music and create enterprising and far-reaching businesses of their own. Although, I'm personally not a fan of rap, it is not like its the sole morally degrading type of music out there, pun rockers who glorify suicide aren't much better. lol so true. Most artists usually pander to youth anyways, and collectively younger people (read teenagers) are very dumb, so its not surprising that rap culture is one of many things that can corrupt society
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Post by mike2 on Apr 12, 2005 16:15:24 GMT -5
You're right, Charlie, perhaps I was stereotyping, but I hope you can see where I'm coming from on this and I don't mean to be insensitive or biased. The point I'm trying to make is the bling-bling rap attitude of TODAY is disrespectful and non-progressive (R&B and jazz are excellent forms of music) and I can only hope most blacks realize that there are better forms of actual music out there that don't have immoral undertones. I do like reggae and some rap songs, which as you know are dominated by blacks, but not the booty-shaking, what's-up-nigga, pimpmobile kind of rap, which I find offensive and degrading. I'm just disappointed that it is popular. Agreed also on Condolleezza as a rolemodel. She's a very intelligent woman. I just wish I knew more black people in my area as likable as Carl and Urkel... lol
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Post by Faelcind on Apr 12, 2005 18:36:52 GMT -5
Mainstream hip hop culture is defineatly a degraded art form and certainly not a good influence on people at least IMHO but I have doubts about which way the influence flows strongest from musical culture to overall culture or vice a versa. There is also of course a great deal of less well known hip hop that is excellent both musicall and in content Check out the Root, Mos Deff, Twalib Qwali, Dell, etc. I would say that mainstream music in genereal is degraded and degrading art form. Or do you think britney spears is good role model?
Gundagai and Sensounico both of you have consistently made rascists statements against black africans and black americans, your critiscms of the subjectivity of topdog or his sources are hypocritical in the extreme. You also come across as slightly dense when you ignore the central point that if scientific raciscm is correct then the evidence for it should be consistently between black africans and black afro carribeansns. The simple fact is that its not, blacks in britain do not show the level of achievement gap and black african immigrants don't either. This of course is biased by the immigration process itself but its an important point to consider none the less.
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Post by mike2 on Apr 12, 2005 19:07:33 GMT -5
Agreed on all points, Faelcind.
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Post by SensoUnico on Apr 13, 2005 5:43:34 GMT -5
Mainstream hip hop culture is defineatly a degraded art form and certainly not a good influence on people at least IMHO but I have doubts about which way the influence flows strongest from musical culture to overall culture or vice a versa. There is also of course a great deal of less well known hip hop that is excellent both musicall and in content Check out the Root, Mos Deff, Twalib Qwali, Dell, etc. I would say that mainstream music in genereal is degraded and degrading art form. Or do you think britney spears is good role model? Gundagai and Sensounico both of you have consistently made rascists statements against black africans and black americans, your critiscms of the subjectivity of topdog or his sources are hypocritical in the extreme. You also come across as slightly dense when you ignore the central point that if scientific raciscm is correct then the evidence for it should be consistently between black africans and black afro carribeansns. The simple fact is that its not, blacks in britain do not show the level of achievement gap and black african immigrants don't either. This of course is biased by the immigration process itself but its an important point to consider none the less. gundagai and SensoUnico are both me and I am extremely offended. I cannot help how you have misunderstood and misinterpreted any of my honest, thoughtful and non bigoted comments the way you have done. I have read some of your comments in old threads and found some of them naive. For instance, there is no such thing as scientific racism, that is an oxymoron. Racism is racism, pure and simple. And for your information, I believe all humans are equal in intelligence, the ability to found civilisations, sing, dance, rob banks or be loving parents. I am not American so the one drop rule is nonesense to me as is the idea that someone removed from their ancestrial home by centuries and mixed with other groups is African or negroid in America. Just as I think it odd that Americans are so hostile to the idea that they may be mixed after some centuries of living in the Western Hemisphere. I am not dense. I am extremely intelligent. I have lived in Great Britain for 10 years and taught many Africans from Morocco to South Africa and there is no difference in ability between Africans of whatever race, Europeans natives or immigrants, South Asians, East Asians or any other race or group from whatever geographical part of the world. My name is not Jensen. And Mike I am sad you feel that way. I am the product of America as my parents immigrated there when I was a child, completed college there, where I met many intelligent, thoughtful and admirable black Americans who I believe are self confident and self assured enough not to haunt internet forums expounding Afrocentrist beliefs like that person you mentioned. Thankyou.
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