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Post by topdog on Apr 9, 2005 14:58:09 GMT -5
This thread is dishonest. The first link is some journalistic piece of writing without any backing. The second uses British statistics that label a group as Africans. Now Africans are not the same as Negroids. A person from Egypt going to the UK to study or work termporarily or permanently, that is an immigrant, comes from Africa. A person from Morocco, Algeria, Libya and Tunisia are similarly all Africans but are they negroids? Some may be, some may not. I doubt they come under the Other White category or Any Mixed Background or Other ethnic group. I cannot see a definition of those categories especially the African one. Excluding North Africans and Egyptians from the African category is discriminatory. And I doubt that the Scottish would perceive any Africans who were not European looking as what they probably class as White. The thread's purpose is flawed. It is interesting to note that most of these "Africans" of whatever race are small in number and likely to be students who specifically went to Scotland to study and stayed on rather than return to Africa to assist in their country's development. A large percentage from a tiny minority of rather abnormal people. In their home countries they would be an even tinier minority. Lastly the achievements of Americans who claim negroid African ancestry is totally irrelevent to the academic achievements of bona fide native born full blooded Africans. What a waste of bandwidth.
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Post by mike2 on Apr 9, 2005 15:04:27 GMT -5
I'm not surprised. I would expect most black folks in Britain to be very well educated, much moreso than many Afro-Americans here because the ones in Britain haven't been stigmatized or degenerated as much with the god awful and immoral hiphop subculture that plagues the blacks of the United States and impedes all assimilatory progress. I really think that if more blacks here in the States cast aside that trash, they would see racism against them go down dramatically. I believe the kind of shit most American blacks (and countless thousands of whites, too) listen to is a disgrace and a tremendous obstacle. The blacks in Britain might as well just be Britons with dark skin. But the ones in America are treated differently because most ACT differently. If most of the black people started acting like white people there would be no problems. Sorry-- I'm ramblin' and getting off-topic. Anyway, good for the blacks in Britain. They should be proud.
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Post by topdog on Apr 9, 2005 15:15:52 GMT -5
I'm not surprised. I would expect most black folks in Britain to be very well educated, much moreso than many Afro-Americans here because the ones in Britain haven't been stigmatized or degenerated as much with the god awful and immoral hiphop subculture that plagues the blacks of the United States and impedes all assimilatory progress. Lame sterotype, what does that have to do with education levels? Do you have any proof that hiphop caused low education levels? Stereotyping and racial profiling is unwarranted as most blacks who are stopped are law abiding citizens who were stopped only based on their race, not how they act. I am college educated and didn't act white to get where I'm at.
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Post by mike2 on Apr 9, 2005 15:41:06 GMT -5
No stereotype here. You know which blacks I'm talking about. And like it or not, they are outnumbering the good ones.
The rap subculture is the bane of black cultural progress in America, just generally speaking, not necessarily educationally. But this carries over into education. Its impossible to teach people who have been corrupted into not caring. You, however, do care. So you are not representative of the people I am talking about.
So, unless you think big pimping and wearing one's pants down to the ankles are GOOD things and perfectly acceptable behavior in our society, I'm in the right here. Even if I'm on the roundabout.
Furthermore, what exactly does it mean to act black as opposed to white? By acting white I don't mean pretending to be a white man by going out with white women or something like that. I mean assimilating into the moral culture of the white majority this country was founded on (the pilgrims founded the U.S., West Africans were simply brought here). Morgan Freeman and Sidney Portier are excellent examples of this. They are role models for equality. 50 Cent is not. He is a symbol of non-progress. The rappers who corrupt our youth with immorality get away with it because they are black and whites feel guilt for slavery and segregation. This is not equality. This is exploitation. Bill Cosby voiced his opinion about this already. And he did a damn good job of it.
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Post by SensoUnico on Apr 10, 2005 12:25:50 GMT -5
All Topdog can do is whine and post dissembling information. His links refer to Africans and he says blacks as if it means the same thing. It does in the USA but the rest of humanity. In the UK, South Asians are referred to as Asians in other places Asian means Chinese or Japanese not Indians. Then he throws in black Americans as if they are relevent to Scotland or anywhere in Europe. Compare Americans with Americans or Canadians or other New Worlders. I do not know what it is about American society that breeds people with such huge chips on their shoulders. That black versus white game played in the USA is very banal and boring. It is 2005.
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Post by Anja on Apr 10, 2005 17:11:42 GMT -5
I'm not one to stereotype but uh...yeah, much of what Mike is saying is true. I would know, I go to a school heavily populated with African-Americans, and a large porportion of them are exactly like that, not all, but many. I can't avoid the truth.
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Post by mike2 on Apr 10, 2005 17:35:49 GMT -5
I don't mean to typecast all blacks, but you know the ones I'm talking about. The fact of the matter is, stereotype or not, the rap subculture of the United States is doing nothing for the black community. Just as "It's a Southern Thang, Ya'll Wouldn't Understand" t-shirts aren't doing nothing for white rednecks where I live.
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Post by Anja on Apr 10, 2005 18:21:57 GMT -5
Where do you live?
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Post by mike2 on Apr 10, 2005 20:27:43 GMT -5
Sunny central Florida, home of the Seminole, the alligator and the gar.
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Post by topdog on Apr 11, 2005 2:04:58 GMT -5
All Topdog can do is whine and post dissembling information. His links refer to Africans and he says blacks as if it means the same thing. Refer to my first link that lists black Africans as the most educated.
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Post by topdog on Apr 11, 2005 2:29:47 GMT -5
No stereotype here. You know which blacks I'm talking about. And like it or not, they are outnumbering the good ones. You're stereotyping. there is no evidence correlating blacks with hip-hop culture and illiteracy. Did you know that the mayor of Detroit[Kwame Kilpatrick sp?] also listens to hip-hop and has been since he was younger? You may not like it, but its certainly no grounds to use it as a cause for illiteracy among American blacks. Eventhough my father is a pastor and my household is strongly Christian oriented, I did listen to hiphop music in the early 90s as well other kids I grew up around and i can tell you its not the music that causes people to not care. The street survival mentality has nothing to do with hip-hop, its been that way before hip-hop music. Listen to some of the soul and R&B msuic of the late 60s and 70s, you'll here the same things being talked about. The way how people dress is a moot point, you can't judge people by that. The worst criminals in America wear three piece suits. Morgan Freeman and Sidney Portier aren't culturally assimilated white and do not carry themselves the same way as the white majority and neither do I. African-Americans do have their own distinct culture within America and who's the to say that white American culture is morally right? If you look at history it would say the opposite is true. How can we as African-Americans assimilated into white society when white society has largely rejected us the most? Jim Crow proved my point on this. It was only when we pulled together in the 50s through the 70s that things began to get better. They're both actors who in my opinion are not the best role models. My best role model is my father. Next to him are Muhammad Ali[his stand against the Vietnam War was inspiring], Condoleeza Rice[she actually put in hard work **BEFORE** the Bush Administration] and some pastors I know personally. LOL, 50 Cent's success and acceptance has nothing to do with guilt over slavery and segergation my friend, its all marketing and promotion. Rap music is more of a business now and less about talent.
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Post by SensoUnico on Apr 11, 2005 3:59:41 GMT -5
Refer to my first link that lists black Africans as the most educated. I did. I dismissed it. It read like a cheap tabloid. Please be civil.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Apr 11, 2005 9:54:09 GMT -5
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Post by Anja on Apr 11, 2005 15:50:27 GMT -5
Sunny central Florida, home of the Seminole, the alligator and the gar. I'm a little bit northwest of you then. I live in Georgia-esque north Florida. Charlie, you're right. But I understand where Mike's coming from, I see guys at my school acting like that everyday, whether it has any correlation to the music they listen to or not.
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Post by alexandrian on Apr 11, 2005 18:01:57 GMT -5
Rap is far from a selectively "black" thing. As more and more young HIspanics feel the same segregation and disenfranchisement as young blacks felt in urban ghettoes, you notice the rise in Hispanic rappers. HIspanic gangs are just as prevalent as black gangs. It's more of a socioeconomic thing. Moreover, rap has a lot of mainstream appeal. Many many young whites like it, and it reaches a lot of popularity among groups of people, that even though they might be "Caucasian", are sometimes not considered "whites" by the mainstream population. Included in these groups are people like Persians, Egyptians, and Hispanics. Rap has a lot of crossover appeal, and spans throughout ethnic groups. Furthermore, if you look at people like Sean Combs and Jay-Z, they were able to use their income they received from music and create enterprising and far-reaching businesses of their own. Although, I'm personally not a fan of rap, it is not like its the sole morally degrading type of music out there, pun rockers who glorify suicide aren't much better.
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