Blacks, most educated in Britain

[topdog]

Journal of Blacks in Higher Education, The

03-31-1994

Black Africans Now the Most Highly Educated Group in British Society.

New census data from Britain makes life very difficult for the advocates of scientific racism.

RECENTLY, POLITICIANS, SCHOLARS, and social commentators in the United Kingdom were started to receive the results of a new census report on the academic standing of various ethnic groups in Britain.

Black Africans in the United Kingdom are now the most highly educated members of British society. According to British Census, over 26 percent of adult black Africans in the United Kingdom hold academic qualifications higher than "A" or college levels compared with only 13.4 percent for white adults in the U.K. In short, blacks in the U.K. with African origins are outperforming British whites by a ratio of two to one.

static.highbeam.com/j/journalofblacksinhighereducationthe/march311994/blackafricansnowthemosthighlyeducatedgroupinbritis/index.html




All minority ethnic groups in Scotland are at least as or more likely to have degrees (or equivalent) than White Scottish people. Those most likely to have degrees from ethnic minority groups are Africans, people from ‘Other’ ethnic groups and Indians.

Pakistanis are also the most likely to have no qualifications (43%) followed by Chinese people (38%) and White Scottish people (35%). In contrast, only 15% of African people aged 16-74 years have no qualifications.

People aged 35-54 years:
The group with the highest proportion of people educated to degree level or above is African (61%).

People aged 55-74 years:
The group with the highest proportion of people educated to degree level is the African group (47%)

www.scotland.gov.uk/library5/social/aescr-07.asp

[Samhain]

Journal of Blacks in Higher Education, The

03-31-1994

This not a viable source at all. This is like me citing the BNP stats which would say the opposite.

Most Asians who arrive in Britain are already qualified to degree level, this is why so many doctors for example are Asian.

[KLI]

www.scotland.gov.uk/library5/social/aescr-07.asp

How about this one? And it is also common knowledge that African immigrants in Europe and North America are very qualified

[topdog]

Samhain said:

This not a viable source at all. This is like me citing the BNP stats which would say the opposite.

Most Asians who arrive in Britain are already qualified to degree level, this is why so many doctors for example are Asian.

The source is biased eh?

www.jstor.org/journals/10773711.html




Why don't you check the source instead of going into instant denial. If you're implying this source is biased because of the name, you must also acknowledge that every IQ study done by whites on blacks is equally discredited.

[Samhain]

Mujahid said:

www.scotland.gov.uk/library5/social/aescr-07.asp

How about this one? And it is also common knowledge that African immigrants in Europe and North America are very qualified

The source states quite clearly here that the younger generations (now considered natives) are less qualified than their parents:


The proportion of people who have no qualifications is considerably higher across all ethnic groups than for the younger age bands; in most cases the proportion is double that for 35-54 year olds.
The group with the highest proportion of people educated to degree level is the African group (47%) but the qualification profile is more polarised than for the younger age groups and 32% of the population has no qualifications. The next highest is the Bangladeshi group (45%) followed by the Indian group (42%).

And I don't do "common knowledge", only facts. Most Europeans see immigrants not as being educated at all, but as parasites. And whilst their parents have earned degrees in order to get on in British society, once established it seems the younger generation has no incentive to do the same. Instead they'll be entitled to benefits etc.


Black British now campaign to get a 'black' education in Britain:

www.ligali.org/education.htm

[Samhain]

Charlie said:

The source is biased eh?

www.jstor.org/journals/10773711.html




Why don't you check the source instead of going into instant denial. If you're implying this source is biased because of the name, you must also acknowledge that every IQ study done by whites on blacks is equally discredited.

"Journal of blacks in higher education" is indeed biased:

[KLI]

Do Europeans consider immigrants parasites based on facts and statistics, or is it their form of "common knowledge"?

and LOL the GCSE is not higher education

[topdog]

Samhain said:

"Journal of blacks in higher education" is indeed biased:

Sure it is, since it more positively portrays blacks[insert rolling eyes here].

[topdog]

Mujahid said:

Do Europeans consider immigrants parasites based on facts and statistics, or is it their form of "common knowledge"?

Good question, I was just going to ask the same thing.

[topdog]

Samhain said:

The source states quite clearly here that the younger generations (now considered natives) are less qualified than their parents:


The proportion of people who have no qualifications is considerably higher across all ethnic groups than for the younger age bands; in most cases the proportion is double that for 35-54 year olds.
The group with the highest proportion of people educated to degree level is the African group (47%) but the qualification profile is more polarised than for the younger age groups and 32% of the population has no qualifications. The next highest is the Bangladeshi group (45%) followed by the Indian group (42%).

And I don't do "common knowledge", only facts. Most Europeans see immigrants not as being educated at all, but as parasites. And whilst their parents have earned degrees in order to get on in British society, once established it seems the younger generation has no incentive to do the same. Instead they'll be entitled to benefits etc.


Black British now campaign to get a 'black' education in Britain:

www.ligali.org/education.htm

Insignificant nonsense not relevant to the point. How Europeans visualise immigrants isn't relevant to this post, its the facts and figures.

[Samhain]

Mujahid said:

Do Europeans consider immigrants parasites based on facts and statistics, or is it their form of "common knowledge"?

and LOL the GCSE is not higher education

GCSE qualification are required before entry to a degree course. The point about the parasite is of course based on "common knowledge", that is the point that I was reinforcing to you - how useless "common knowledge" is.

[topdog]

Nearly Four Million Living African Americans Hold a Four-Year College Degree:

At the time of the Harlem Renaissance in the 1920s, at best 10,000 American blacks Ñ one in 1,000 Ñ were college educated. JBHE is now thrilled to report that there are more than 3.8 million African Americans alive today who hold a four-year college degree.

The breakdown is as follows: According to the U.S. Census Bureau, there are 2,730,000 blacks in this country who hold a bachelor's degree but no graduate degree. And there are an additional 858,000 African Americans who have a four-year college degree plus also hold a master's degree. An additional 168,000 blacks hold a professional degree in fields such as law, business, or medicine. Another 98,000 African Americans have obtained a doctorate. Overall, 3,854,000 African Americans possess a four-year college degree or higher.

In 2004, 17.6 percent of all African Americans over the age of 25 held a four-year college degree. This figure has increased significantly from 13.8 percent in 1996 and 11.3 percent in 1990.

Despite the good news, the figures still show that blacks continue to have a long way to go before they reach higher educational parity with white Americans. Overall, 30.6 percent of the non-Hispanic white population over the age of 25 holds a four-year college degree compared to 17.6 percent of adult blacks.

www.jbhe.com/latest/040705_blacks_collegedegree.html

Thats some really biased reporting!

[SensoUnico]

This thread is dishonest. The first link is some journalistic piece of writing without any backing. The second uses British statistics that label a group as Africans. Now Africans are not the same as Negroids. A person from Egypt going to the UK to study or work termporarily or permanently, that is an immigrant, comes from Africa. A person from Morocco, Algeria, Libya and Tunisia are similarly all Africans but are they negroids? Some may be, some may not. I doubt they come under the Other White category or Any Mixed Background or Other ethnic group. I cannot see a definition of those categories especially the African one. Excluding North Africans and Egyptians from the African category is discriminatory. And I doubt that the Scottish would perceive any Africans who were not European looking as what they probably class as White. The thread's purpose is flawed. It is interesting to note that most of these "Africans" of whatever race are small in number and likely to be students who specifically went to Scotland to study and stayed on rather than return to Africa to assist in their country's development. A large percentage from a tiny minority of rather abnormal people. In their home countries they would be an even tinier minority. Lastly the achievements of Americans who claim negroid African ancestry is totally irrelevent to the academic achievements of bona fide native born full blooded Africans.

[alexandrian]

Charlie said:

Nearly Four Million Living African Americans Hold a Four-Year College Degree:

At the time of the Harlem Renaissance in the 1920s, at best 10,000 American blacks Ñ one in 1,000 Ñ were college educated. JBHE is now thrilled to report that there are more than 3.8 million African Americans alive today who hold a four-year college degree.

The breakdown is as follows: According to the U.S. Census Bureau, there are 2,730,000 blacks in this country who hold a bachelor's degree but no graduate degree. And there are an additional 858,000 African Americans who have a four-year college degree plus also hold a master's degree. An additional 168,000 blacks hold a professional degree in fields such as law, business, or medicine. Another 98,000 African Americans have obtained a doctorate. Overall, 3,854,000 African Americans possess a four-year college degree or higher.

In 2004, 17.6 percent of all African Americans over the age of 25 held a four-year college degree. This figure has increased significantly from 13.8 percent in 1996 and 11.3 percent in 1990.

Despite the good news, the figures still show that blacks continue to have a long way to go before they reach higher educational parity with white Americans. Overall, 30.6 percent of the non-Hispanic white population over the age of 25 holds a four-year college degree compared to 17.6 percent of adult blacks.

www.jbhe.com/latest/040705_blacks_collegedegree.html

Thats some really biased reporting!

And 60.4% of Egyptian-Americans hold a bachelor's degree, which is far more impressive than either of your statistics. What point are you trying to prove? That blacks are capable of getting bachelor's degrees? We all know that. Instead of basking in the glory of having 17% of your population with bachelor's degrees, why don't we try to figure out why that number isn't up to the naitonal average, with desegregation and affirmative action and all...

[topdog]

Alexandrian said:

And 60.4% of Egyptian-Americans hold a bachelor's degree, which is far more impressive than either of your statistics. What point are you trying to prove? That blacks are capable of getting bachelor's degrees? We all know that. Instead of basking in the glory of having 17% of your population with bachelor's degrees, why don't we try to figure out why that number isn't up to the naitonal average, with desegregation and affirmative action and all...

The point of that post was to show that the source was not biased, did you not see my comment at the end?