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Post by Kame on Mar 20, 2005 23:13:59 GMT -5
Why is that half northern european mullato's look mostly african in appearance( like 60-75% black)? The SSA phenotype dominates them almost completely. Also blond hair is a known recessive trait as well as blue eyes.
I have seen quite a bit of north euro type mullato's, because most mullato's in the US are the result of unions between generic nordic american whites (women) and af-ams. They almost always look more black than white.( even though af-ams are about 20% white). Why is this?
Has anyone ever heard about that black girl in south africa born to white parents by the way? I think her name was sannie laing or something like that.
What will the children of seal (nigerian) and heidi klum(german) look like? Probably more black-looking, I would put money on that.
This is not so much the case with south euro's mulatto's however, their features are more rounded out it seems. Especially with Italians.
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Post by mike2 on Mar 20, 2005 23:16:17 GMT -5
I think Halle Berry is quite Caucasian-looking. Her black features are obvious, but they aren't typically emphasized.
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Post by buddyrydell on Mar 20, 2005 23:24:44 GMT -5
Mulattoes who are half southern Euro are rarer in the U.S. (but more common in Latin America obviously), so yeah I guess many times its harder to see the European influence when the parent is northern Euro just because of hair and eye color.
But, I certainly wouldn't say that northern Euros have "weak" genes. True they're less dominant, but mostly just when it comes to mixing with non-Europeans. Half northern and half southern Europeans are very often lighter-haired/eyed, but again, that's because the genes for lighter hair and eyes are present in all European (indeed all Caucasoid) groups, and of course that there's much less of a difference.
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Post by Slick on Mar 20, 2005 23:35:01 GMT -5
Why is that half northern european mullato's look mostly african in appearance( like 60-75% black)? The SSA phenotype dominates them almost completely. Also blond hair is a known recessive trait as well as blue eyes. I have seen quite a bit of north euro type mullato's, because most mullato's in the US are the result of unions between generic nordic american whites (women) and af-ams. They almost always look more black than white.( even though af-ams are about 20% white). Why is this? Has anyone ever heard about that black girl in south africa born to white parents by the way? I think her name was sannie laing or something like that. What will the children of seal (nigerian) and heidi klum(german) look like? Probably more black-looking, I would put money on that. This is not so much the case with south euro's mulatto's however, their features are more rounded out it seems. Especially with Italians. What about this woman? ![](http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/MMPH/250115.jpg) Her mother is Irish.
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Post by Kame on Mar 20, 2005 23:36:37 GMT -5
If inter-racial marriage in earlier times in america was more accepted and common, America today would probably today be pedominantly black in phenotype. The bulk of white americans are of German ancestry.
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Post by Kame on Mar 20, 2005 23:38:34 GMT -5
What about this woman? ![](http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/MMPH/250115.jpg) Her mother is Irish. Mariah carey? Her father was venezuelan black, who are very mixed. So even on her fathers side there was considerable caucasian influence. Even so she still looks kinda black ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) The only comparable example I could think of would be nicole ritchie, who look heavily caucasian.
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Post by mike2 on Mar 20, 2005 23:39:03 GMT -5
Maria Carey is another good example of a mulatto where the black genes do not register as much as the white. I had always suspected she was part black, but I was never quite sure.
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Post by Josh on Mar 21, 2005 0:11:24 GMT -5
Maria Carey is another good example of a mulatto where the black genes do not register as much as the white. I had always suspected she was part black, but I was never quite sure. I'm guessing though that since her dad was already mixed that she is most likely a quadroon and not a mulatto (at least not in the 50/50 or close sense).
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Post by mike2 on Mar 21, 2005 0:17:01 GMT -5
Yeah, that makes more sense.
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Post by nordicyouth on Mar 21, 2005 0:35:23 GMT -5
Actually, I've found that while Sub-Saharan African genes dominate in S.S.A./White biracial offspring, the German phenotype seems particularly strong in subracial miscegenation. Not Nordic, but specifically German i.e. a White person with 1/4 German will usually tend towards a Germanic phenotype. Certainly, children of Northern Europeans and Southern Europeans tend towards a central European phenotype, which of course, leans heavily northward, and in some cases is identical except for reduced blondism. I've seen Central Europeans and Northern Europeans with the same phentope, but the former was brunette and the latter was blonde - no difference in skin pigmentation at all.
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Post by buddyrydell on Mar 21, 2005 1:54:09 GMT -5
^I agree that generally, children who are half southern and half northern European look roughly in between, but there are many exceptions that lean much more towards one end or the other (as in my case leaning towards a southern European phenotype). With this kind of mix, you just don't know how the child will come out lol.
I think many Eurasians look very interesting because although the East Asian pigmentation is more dominant, the skin is still paler and sometimes the hair and eyes won't be exactly the same shade of darkness as their full-blooded Asian parent. As for facial features and cephalic index, it's just an even blend of both most of the time.
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Post by NuSapiens on Mar 21, 2005 2:33:41 GMT -5
It's important to remember that there is a distinction between perceptions of phenotypes and apparent dominance, and actual genetic dominance of traits. In other words, I doubt the human mind's ability to objectively quantify this kind of thing.
Perhaps a trace of African features are enough to qualify as "definitely not Northern European", while they are not enough to qualify as "definely not Southern European."
Or it could be an observer bias: people are good at classifying familiar types of faces (based on their life experience), but not so good with foreign faces, regardless of their own appearance. North Americans are accustomed to a wide range of British/West African mixes, but not to e.g. German/West African mixes. Anything unusual (in this case, the German) will be noticeable.
So do Germans themselves find German/African mulattoes more "German" than e.g. British/African mulattoes?
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Post by nordicyouth on Mar 21, 2005 3:24:10 GMT -5
According to you, the 'nation' component of 'nation-state' is a barrier against global miscegenation, something you support, so why throw fuel on the fire? Silly question.
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Post by Human on Mar 21, 2005 12:44:21 GMT -5
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Post by quartermetis on Mar 21, 2005 14:46:41 GMT -5
Has anyone ever heard about that black girl in south africa born to white parents by the way? I think her name was sannie laing or something like that. The South African woman's name is Sandra Laing, fascinating story. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2944922.stm
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