Nordicists/White nationalists and the Ainu

[Tautamo]

what are you talking about they are proto nordic! ;D

[MC anunnaki]

Nice pictures.

Hey, what can we expect from Nordicists. They have labelled every civilisation that ever sprouted in North Africa and Eurasia as "proto-Nordic" (with declines usually attributed to race-mixing with non-Nords/non-Whites) so they desperatly search for ancients who looked Nordic. I'm just waiting for them to claim South and Central American civilisations as their own. Tough Nordic supermen probably sailed to South America on a raft. If a fresque or statue has red hair, wow, then it must be Nordic.

[SensoUnico]

Actually a Norwegian did something like that with Rata Nui and the Pacific side of South America. His name was Thor Heyerdahl. He set sail from South America in a raft with 3 other Scandinavians in the hope of proving that it was caucasoid, blond ones of course, who gave civilisation to the South Americans and were the original polynesians. Believe it or not.

[KLI]

SensoUnico said:

Actually a Norwegian did something like that with Rata Nui and the Pacific side of South America. His name was Thor Heyerdahl. He set sail from South America in a raft with 3 other Scandinavians in the hope of proving that it was caucasoid, blond ones of course, who gave civilisation to the South Americans and were the original polynesians. Believe it or not.

In 1947 Thor Heyerdahl and five crew members sailed the Kon-Tiki, a balsa wood raft, from South America to Polynesia, to prove his theory that pre-Columbian intercultural global contact was possible. During 1969-70 he sailed two papyrus rafts, Ra I and Ra II, across the Atlantic, to show that ancient Egyptians could have had contact with South America.
Most of his theories were scorned by academics.

[topdog]

anunnaki said:

Nice pictures.

Hey, what can we expect from Nordicists. They have labelled every civilisation that ever sprouted in North Africa and Eurasia as "proto-Nordic" (with declines usually attributed to race-mixing with non-Nords/non-Whites) so they desperatly search for ancients who looked Nordic. I'm just waiting for them to claim South and Central American civilisations as their own. Tough Nordic supermen probably sailed to South America on a raft. If a fresque or statue has red hair, wow, then it must be Nordic.

I'm afraid they've already went that route:

www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=16719


Red hair on Easter Island(?)+Haplogroup X= mysterious whites in Meso-America

[MC anunnaki]

Hilarious. ;D

What about the Australian Aboriginals and their blonde babies? Nordics?

[SensoUnico]

I am sorry I got the number of men on the Kon-Tiki wrong. I read the book when I was a child. I do remember some first names like Thorstein and Bengt. It is good that times have changed, a little anyway, and strange ideas of blond or red headed caucasoids founding all civilisations have gone into the bizarre category of human ideas. There were never any red headed people on Rapa Nui just some rather inbred Polynesians types who in their glory days carved moai that Cheeks says look like Miko Hakkinen. The moai did wear odd looking red hats. Heyerdahl thought Viracocha was a blond or red headed caucasoid with long ears who sailed west and was the ancestor of the polynesians.

[mike2]

It is indeed true that when Australoids mix with Mongoloids, an often Caucasoid looking type appears.





This is true of the Ainu and the Polynesians and it is why past anthropologists thought these people were antique Caucasoids. The Polynesians are southern Mongoloids mixed with Papuan types, but the Mongoloid element of the Ainu is not clear to me. Can we be certain it was the Japanese who watered down their proto-Australoid blood?

[mike2]

Ah, good then, Paleosiberian makes a lot more sense to me than just some Japanese admixture. Thanks for the insight, human2. It is much appreciated. I'm also interested in peoples like the Gilyak, who are linguistically separate like the Ainu. Know anything about them?

[mike2]

Indeed, I'd venture to say that the closest Australoid form to the Ainu would be the Veddah, because they are often quite hirsute as well.

In fact, if I had to classify the Australoid or by extension, Proto-Australoid race, this is how I would do it:

AUSTRALOID RACE
1.) Veddoid
2.) Negritoid
3.) Jomonoid
4.) Papuan-Melanesian
5.) Australian

I like it, anyway.

[Q. Valerius Priscus]

The Ainuid race-type is not Europid, but it is progressive, hairy, and more 'Alpish' looking than the other Mongolids. The Samurai warriors of Japan had a definite pronounced Ainuid component in them.

The Samurai and the Ainu:

www.science-frontiers.com/sf065/sf065a01.htm

[Q. Valerius Priscus]

human2 said:

Brace does believe that Ainu came from Europe though.

No, he does not.

The Ainu and their origin have always been rather mysterious, with some people claiming that the Ainu are really Caucasian or proto-Caucasian - in other words, "white." At present, Brace's study denies this interpretation.'

www.science-frontiers.com/sf065/sf065a01.htm

human2 said:

The Ainu were very small, dimunitive people and on the peripheries of societies, not Samurais.

"Dr. Brace said this interpretation also explains why the facial features of the Japanese ruling class are so often unlike those of typical modern Japanese. The Ainu-related samurai achieved such power and prestige in medieval Japan that they intermarried with royality and nobility, passing on Jomon-Ainu blood in the upper classes, while other Japanese were primarily descended from the Yoyoi."

www.science-frontiers.com/sf065/sf065a01.htm

[Q. Valerius Priscus]

C. Loring Brace:

'And I agree entirely with Shoh Yamada that the Ainu cannot be considered a "Caucasian island in the East,"'

groups.yahoo.com/group/paleoanthropology/message/143

[Dienekes]

I remember reading the Ainu-Samurai theory, but I don't remember the Ainu-Neanderthal theory, can you provide the citation, please?

[Dienekes]

human2 said:

2. The Japanese do have it.

The Ainu have predominantly YAP+ chromosomes, so it's likely that the Japanese acquired it by admixture with the prehistoric Jomon, of which the Ainu are a remnant.