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Post by MRuffalo715 on Mar 1, 2005 15:05:47 GMT -5
I was born to an Italian father and a British mother in the United States. Through extensive research, it is quite clear that the nations of Italy and Great Britain are much more than just geographical European neighbors. This is a forum for those of both Italian and British heritage who feel that their family history is united as one. United as Italian-British
Italy and Great Britain United
Great Britain was colonized by the Romans. The term Britain comes from the Italian word "Britannia", the name for the British province of the Roman Empire.
Many city names in present-day Britain are also derived from Roman names, including London. (Londinium).
Saint Patrick, the patron saint of Ireland in the Catholic Religion, was Romano-British.
The Protestant Religion, practiced thorougout Great Britain, is also a minority religion of Northern Italy.
Many Brits today still have Roman blood. Some still claim Roman ancestry.
English is the second language in Italy.
French, which was spoken for over five-hundred years in Great Britain, is still spoken today in the Valle D'Aosta region of Italy.
There have been many successful Italian-British men and women.Guglielmo Marconi, the inventor of the radio, was born to an Italian father and a British mother.
Wine was grown in Great Britain at the time of the Roman Empire. Today, there are a few good British wines.
The English language contains many words of Italian origin because of the Roman colonization of Britannia.
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Post by buddyrydell on Mar 1, 2005 17:34:05 GMT -5
Heh an interesting take on Italian-British links. Much of western Europe is culturally (and linguistically) related through the legacy of the Roman Empire.
I also come from a similar lineage btw. I'm the son of an Italian (Sicilian) father and northern/central European mother (largely British/Irish but some Italian, German, and French mixed in as well).
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Post by jojoscircus on Mar 1, 2005 21:15:50 GMT -5
well, I guess if you really think about it any two countries can be 'united.'
China and Great Britain are united because they both have tea drinking customs.
Japan and Germany are united because they are both very mechanically inclined.
Romania and Thailand are united because of their fondness for prostitution.
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Post by alexandrian on Mar 1, 2005 22:13:23 GMT -5
Ireland and Egypt could be said to be united because St. Patrick was converted to Christianity by Egyptian monks, and it was he who freed Ireland from British tyranny and oppression.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Mar 2, 2005 7:45:53 GMT -5
I thought that was Hungaria,or was that just for their Porno obession? maybe their like California?
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Post by jay (mulatto) on Mar 2, 2005 21:12:42 GMT -5
well, I guess if you really think about it any two countries can be 'united.' China and Great Britain are united because they both have tea drinking customs. Japan and Germany are united because they are both very mechanically inclined. Romania and Thailand are united because of their fondness for prostitution. quite right. especially the latter... now question really is. is Britain more united with Italy. than it is the other european nations? let's see: Britain-Ireland: They're majorly united, Ireland was part of the United Kingdom till 1921. Britain-Germany: English is a Germanic language, The British Royal family's ancestors came from Germany. Britain-France: They're neighbours, the channel tunnel connects the two. again the English language is also significantly influenced by the French language. Britain-Spain: Tons of Brits flock to Spanish coasts, and emigrate there to buy up property ;D - there's also that celtic iberian ancestry. Britain-Belgium: not exactly sure, but I believe there was some kind of strong connection between Britain & Belgium at some point in recent history (WW1/prior era) and outside of europe.. Britain-USA: goes without saying there's a million connections between the two nations Britain-Canada: same thing Britain-Australia: same thing . . . so im not quite sure how significant the British-Italian connection is, in the grand scheme of things.  - Britain has got lots of extensive links with most nations on the planet. ;D |
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Post by jojoscircus on Mar 3, 2005 2:31:37 GMT -5
I think what it comes down to is maybe somebody wants to see more Roman influence in Great Britain than there actually is because he wants to be all Italian for some reason (but is only half Italian).
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Post by buddyrydell on Mar 3, 2005 3:00:40 GMT -5
I think what it comes down to is maybe somebody wants to see more Roman influence in Great Britain than there actually is because he wants to be all Italian for some reason (but is only half Italian). Well, if this is the case I can understand him. Half Italians tend to be very proud of being Italian from my experience, I'm no exception (though to be exact I'm 5/8) and I'm sure you aren't either Jojo   . I think much of simply stems from the fact that white Americans of northern European descent far outnumber white Americans of southern European descent, therefore when one is largely of southern European ancestry, that person feels more unique I guess you could say, especially in areas where there aren't many people of Mediterranean origin (pretty much anywhere outside of the East Coast or Chicago in the U.S.). |
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Post by MRuffalo715 on Mar 3, 2005 17:01:18 GMT -5
I think what it comes down to is maybe somebody wants to see more Roman influence in Great Britain than there actually is because he wants to be all Italian for some reason (but is only half Italian). I do not understand your point of view, Jojo. Unfortunately, you are one of the many who have been misinformed and politically influenced by the Anglo-Saxon population of Britain. The WASPS like to claim that Britain is a solely Anglo-Saxon nation and they have no regard for the Romans that actually colonized the country they call home. To them, British history starts with the invasion of the barbaric Germanic tribes. The descendants of these beastly savages tend to intentionally forget and belittle the Roman influence in their country. Everytime they say the name of their nation, however, they must remember that they are saying a Roman word. |
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Post by Faelcind on Mar 3, 2005 18:00:25 GMT -5
Brittania was a latinization of the orginal celtic Pretani a tribe that lived in britian, the roman presence was not strong genetically in britain, their effect on british culture is more through french influences then any remant of the roman period there. Genetically the british like the irish scottish and welsh are mostly descended from the same stock of people who were in ireland before the saxons, before the romans and before the celts. There is no particularlly special connection between britian and italy.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Mar 4, 2005 1:39:23 GMT -5
<<Brittania was a latinization of the orginal celtic Pretani a tribe that lived in britian>>
Pretani is a latin name derived from Pytheas of Massalia,when he visited a group of islands(the British isles) which he called Pretanike.
One theory is that the Roman's derived the name from a southern tribe the Romans called Brigantes.Well its doenst matter as Britannia and Albion are the Roman names of England.
Their was no Britiannia in Celtic tradition,it was a Roman invention used and also turned into a female personification by Hadrian for Britain,which was later used by Queen Elizabeth I.The English copied from Italy when it suits them.
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Post by Faelcind on Mar 4, 2005 16:06:28 GMT -5
Pretani is latinization to but its from a celtic word its a clear cognate of the Gaelic Cruithne used to describe the picts, its an aborginal word. Alba is celtic word too.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Mar 5, 2005 0:48:50 GMT -5
Picts is also a latin name, which means painted.
Alba is Latin aswel,for one of the earliest names from Roman history as it was the name of a king of Rome called Alba and a city in italy is called Alba.
Albus means -white-which is where the Romans created the word Albion from.
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Post by Faelcind on Mar 5, 2005 1:55:00 GMT -5
Pict is indeed a latin word but Cruithne the irish word for the picts is not nor is it derived from latin its a cognate of Pretani(Q celtic-P-Celtic) or more properly the lost brythonic version of the name which was latinized to Pretani. Alba is essentially identical to its latin cognate but doesn't appear to be derived from it you have to remember that Latin and Byrthonic are closely related as members of the italoceltic subfamily. Take for example Rix versus Rex the old brythonic and latin words for king.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Mar 5, 2005 10:11:21 GMT -5
It is true that Latin and Byrthonic are almost identical.But the forms and origins of these names as we know them as now, are indeed of latin origin and form.
Brythonic Celtic word was Prydain not Pretani.
The name Pretani via Latin,is the older name which was used to refer to the British Isles as the "Isles of the Pretani", which Pytheas first used. .
Pretani=Britainnia.
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- Britain has got lots of extensive links with most nations on the planet. ;D
. I think much of simply stems from the fact that white Americans of northern European descent far outnumber white Americans of southern European descent, therefore when one is largely of southern European ancestry, that person feels more unique I guess you could say, especially in areas where there aren't many people of Mediterranean origin (pretty much anywhere outside of the East Coast or Chicago in the U.S.).
