Post by imhotep06 on Feb 20, 2005 12:54:36 GMT -5
Let’s first deal with this Usr-Mat-Ra Meri-Amen (Ramesis III) tomb first. I can tell by your “friends” email, that he has not visited the tomb and he doesn’t know what he is talking about. The images I am about to present (once again) are not reproductions, but actual images from tomb. Also, it would be valuable for you to learn how to read Mdw Ntr. For a thorough commentary, once again, visit www.mochasuite.com/Stories/ashaa_details.asp?ID=58
This is taken from Manu Ampims article
“ACTUAL TOMB PHOTOGRAPHS
I first visited and photographed the "Table of Nations" scene in the Tomb of Ramses III in both 1994 and 1995, and the scene DOES still exist today. The scene is long and thus it is too difficult to photograph the entire scene at once, so it has to be photographed in sections. This difficulty in recording the entire scene with one photograph has allowed some Euro-American Egyptologists to mix up the images and take the entire scene out of context. They carefully present only two images at a time (instead of ALL FOUR images of each group) in order to never reveal the horizontal texts which runs across the scene and identifies each group.”<br>
Here are the photos and commentary
3Rmt.jpg
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This 1994 photograph from the Tomb of Ramses III shows three of the four black skinned Egyptians, who are next to the god Heru (Horus) on the far left of the scene. Only the right elbow and parts of Heru's legs are still visible in the tomb. Notice the drawing of the hawk in front of Heru and just behind the right hand of the Egyptian on the left. The Egyptians always portrayed themselves in a group of four, on the far left, and closest to Heru in every "Table of Nations" scene. MA
3_Nhsyw.jpg
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Three black-skinned Nubians who are identified with the name Nhsyw or "Nubians." Notice the guinea-foul bird (G21) in front of the hand of the 1st image on the left. The twisted flax (V28) and folded cloth (S29) are in front of the middle figure but are less noticeable. Source: Manu Ampim, 1994
3_Rmt.jpg
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FIGURE 1: Three BLACK-SKINNED Egyptians who are identified with the name RmT (i.e. Kmtjw or "Egyptians"). Source: Manu Ampim, 1994
4Rmt.jpg
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This 1994 photograph from the Tomb of Ramses III shows 4 black skinned Egyptians. The texts in front of each figure clearly reads _RmT_ (i.e. "Kmtjw" or "Egyptians"). This photo of the "Table of Nations" scene provides IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE that the ancient Egyptians portrayed themselves as jet black and dressed identical to other black Africans to the south. Many Western scholars have deliberately misrepresented this scene by not showing ALL FOUR images along with the identifying text. MA
4_Rmt.jpg
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Four BLACK-SKINNED Egyptians. Source: Manu Ampim, 1994
Hornung_Distortion.jpg
![](http://www.mochasuite.com/forum/uploads/imhotep/Hornung_Distortion.jpg)
These pieced together photos misrepresent the Ramses III "Table of Nations" scene in 3 ways: only three of the four groups are shown; only two people per group are shown instead of ALL FOUR representatives of the groups; and the order of the groups as shown in the actual tomb are mixed up. Instead of a A-B-C-D order these cut-&-paste images show the groups as D-A-B (C omitted), and group A is mis-labeled by Erik Hornung as "Nubians" (Valley of the Kings 1990), pp.148-149. MA
Lepsius_4Groups.jpg
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This color reproduction by Kurt Sethe-Richard Lepsius (1913) is an condensed reproduction of the original "Table of Nations" scene in the Ramses III tomb. Sethe/Lepsius simply condensed the text & the 4 images for each of the four groups to 1 representative for each group (i.e. the 16 images were reduced to 4 images). This must have been done because all 4 of the images for each group are identical, and thus they simply omitted the redundant images. Otherwise, this drawing is an EXACT copy. MA.
Rmt_Nhsyw.jpg
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Black-Skinned Egyptian (LT) and Nubian (RT) in Same Attire. Notice the guinea-foul bird (G21) in front of the Nubian image. For this same Egyptian image see 4_Rmt.jpg and Yurco_Distortion.gif. Both figures are black-skinned and dressed identically. Source: Manu Ampim, 1994
Seti_BurtonPhoto.jpg
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This photo by Harry Burton in 1921 is from the Tomb of Seti I and it shows that von Minutoli's drawing of this "Table of Nations" scene is flawed. Von Minutoli drew the scene backward, left out most of the images, and he omitted all of the accompanying texts. MA
Seti_Minutoli_Drawing.jpg
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This color drawing by von Minutoli in the 1820s is not an accurate depiction of the "Table of Nations" scene in the Tomb of Seti I. Minutoli made three errors: he drew the figures in the scene from right to left instead of from left to right as is shown in the actual tomb reliefs; he drew only one figure of the Egyptians, Aamu, and the Nubians; and he left out the entire text of this scene. MA
TMP15652.jpg
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Black-skinned Egyptian. (Same figure as the Egyptian image on the left in photo 3_Rmt.jpg. ) The Theban Mapping Project caption falsely states that this image is a "Nubian erroneously labeled as an Egyptian." Source: Theban Mapping Project (image #15652).
Yurco_Distortion.gif
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These pieced together photos misrepresent the Ramses III "Table of Nations" scene in 3 ways: only three of the four groups are shown; only two people per group are shown instead of ALL FOUR representatives of the groups; and the order of the groups as shown in the actual tomb are mixed up. Instead of a A-B-C-D order these cut-&-paste images show the groups as A-D-B (C is omitted), and Group A is mis-labeled by Frank Yurco as "Kushites" (Egypt in Africa, 1996), pp.109-111. MA
Many of the ancient Egyptian Reliefs bear the fact that they resemble West Africans. Here are some images:
![](http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/8919/Image70.gif)
![](http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/8919/Image71.gif)
![](http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/8919/Image72.gif)
Asar Imhotep
www.mochasuite.com
This is taken from Manu Ampims article
“ACTUAL TOMB PHOTOGRAPHS
I first visited and photographed the "Table of Nations" scene in the Tomb of Ramses III in both 1994 and 1995, and the scene DOES still exist today. The scene is long and thus it is too difficult to photograph the entire scene at once, so it has to be photographed in sections. This difficulty in recording the entire scene with one photograph has allowed some Euro-American Egyptologists to mix up the images and take the entire scene out of context. They carefully present only two images at a time (instead of ALL FOUR images of each group) in order to never reveal the horizontal texts which runs across the scene and identifies each group.”<br>
Here are the photos and commentary
3Rmt.jpg
This 1994 photograph from the Tomb of Ramses III shows three of the four black skinned Egyptians, who are next to the god Heru (Horus) on the far left of the scene. Only the right elbow and parts of Heru's legs are still visible in the tomb. Notice the drawing of the hawk in front of Heru and just behind the right hand of the Egyptian on the left. The Egyptians always portrayed themselves in a group of four, on the far left, and closest to Heru in every "Table of Nations" scene. MA
3_Nhsyw.jpg
![](http://www.mochasuite.com/forum/uploads/imhotep/3_Nhsyw.jpg)
Three black-skinned Nubians who are identified with the name Nhsyw or "Nubians." Notice the guinea-foul bird (G21) in front of the hand of the 1st image on the left. The twisted flax (V28) and folded cloth (S29) are in front of the middle figure but are less noticeable. Source: Manu Ampim, 1994
3_Rmt.jpg
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FIGURE 1: Three BLACK-SKINNED Egyptians who are identified with the name RmT (i.e. Kmtjw or "Egyptians"). Source: Manu Ampim, 1994
4Rmt.jpg
This 1994 photograph from the Tomb of Ramses III shows 4 black skinned Egyptians. The texts in front of each figure clearly reads _RmT_ (i.e. "Kmtjw" or "Egyptians"). This photo of the "Table of Nations" scene provides IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE that the ancient Egyptians portrayed themselves as jet black and dressed identical to other black Africans to the south. Many Western scholars have deliberately misrepresented this scene by not showing ALL FOUR images along with the identifying text. MA
4_Rmt.jpg
Four BLACK-SKINNED Egyptians. Source: Manu Ampim, 1994
Hornung_Distortion.jpg
![](http://www.mochasuite.com/forum/uploads/imhotep/Hornung_Distortion.jpg)
These pieced together photos misrepresent the Ramses III "Table of Nations" scene in 3 ways: only three of the four groups are shown; only two people per group are shown instead of ALL FOUR representatives of the groups; and the order of the groups as shown in the actual tomb are mixed up. Instead of a A-B-C-D order these cut-&-paste images show the groups as D-A-B (C omitted), and group A is mis-labeled by Erik Hornung as "Nubians" (Valley of the Kings 1990), pp.148-149. MA
Lepsius_4Groups.jpg
This color reproduction by Kurt Sethe-Richard Lepsius (1913) is an condensed reproduction of the original "Table of Nations" scene in the Ramses III tomb. Sethe/Lepsius simply condensed the text & the 4 images for each of the four groups to 1 representative for each group (i.e. the 16 images were reduced to 4 images). This must have been done because all 4 of the images for each group are identical, and thus they simply omitted the redundant images. Otherwise, this drawing is an EXACT copy. MA.
Rmt_Nhsyw.jpg
Black-Skinned Egyptian (LT) and Nubian (RT) in Same Attire. Notice the guinea-foul bird (G21) in front of the Nubian image. For this same Egyptian image see 4_Rmt.jpg and Yurco_Distortion.gif. Both figures are black-skinned and dressed identically. Source: Manu Ampim, 1994
Seti_BurtonPhoto.jpg
This photo by Harry Burton in 1921 is from the Tomb of Seti I and it shows that von Minutoli's drawing of this "Table of Nations" scene is flawed. Von Minutoli drew the scene backward, left out most of the images, and he omitted all of the accompanying texts. MA
Seti_Minutoli_Drawing.jpg
This color drawing by von Minutoli in the 1820s is not an accurate depiction of the "Table of Nations" scene in the Tomb of Seti I. Minutoli made three errors: he drew the figures in the scene from right to left instead of from left to right as is shown in the actual tomb reliefs; he drew only one figure of the Egyptians, Aamu, and the Nubians; and he left out the entire text of this scene. MA
TMP15652.jpg
Black-skinned Egyptian. (Same figure as the Egyptian image on the left in photo 3_Rmt.jpg. ) The Theban Mapping Project caption falsely states that this image is a "Nubian erroneously labeled as an Egyptian." Source: Theban Mapping Project (image #15652).
Yurco_Distortion.gif
These pieced together photos misrepresent the Ramses III "Table of Nations" scene in 3 ways: only three of the four groups are shown; only two people per group are shown instead of ALL FOUR representatives of the groups; and the order of the groups as shown in the actual tomb are mixed up. Instead of a A-B-C-D order these cut-&-paste images show the groups as A-D-B (C is omitted), and Group A is mis-labeled by Frank Yurco as "Kushites" (Egypt in Africa, 1996), pp.109-111. MA
Many of the ancient Egyptian Reliefs bear the fact that they resemble West Africans. Here are some images:
![](http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/8919/Image70.gif)
![](http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/8919/Image71.gif)
![](http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/8919/Image72.gif)
Asar Imhotep
www.mochasuite.com