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Post by alexandrian on Feb 21, 2005 21:37:39 GMT -5
Sand nigger can be applied to any Middle Easterner. Most of the racists who use the word have no idea that the peoples of the Middle East are not all the same. It's just easier for them to lump dusky desert folk in one category. I guarantee you that only one out of every ten people you meet on the street would be able to tell you the difference between a Berber, an Arab, an Iranian, a Kurd, an Egyptian, an Afghan, and so on. true
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Post by amksa on Feb 22, 2005 7:33:44 GMT -5
Alexandrian suffering from alto of problemes , sands niger has nothing to do with Arabia ,it was used by french for the big Sahara desert ,they had more contact with that regian than with arabi . i live in france from the beginning of time (at least from the beginning of my own life !) and i never heard this "sand nigger" designation in french : les nègres des sables ? if you are identified as Arab (and most probably as Maghebian - Berber or not), a racist French may probably call you a "bougnoule", pretty ironic because "bougnoule" was firt used by German to insult French during WWII if I recall correctly ! one can call you a "bicot" (not directly in front of you of course... "politesse oblige !") but a French is aware about who is Black, Berber or Arab from Maghreb or Lebanese or Egyptian, etc. One may use more often nationality label than grouping people in a broad designation... never heard in france the expression "middle eastern."
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Post by Whyareuhere on Feb 22, 2005 20:49:41 GMT -5
They use this term alot in America....
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Post by ghotme on Feb 23, 2005 17:12:08 GMT -5
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Post by IfTheLightTakesUs on Feb 23, 2005 23:03:44 GMT -5
Why? Is it because he identifies as 'white'? I don't think he has any black or East Asian relatives; should he check the 'African American' box and pretend he deserves a handout because he's not European? He's proud of his heritage, as his username indicates. Don't force your identity on others, and I'm sure he'll extend you the same courtesy. You know, technically you should be checking the 'white' box. Nobody accused you of having an inferiority complex when you broadcasted your decision to the world wide web. That's my two cents. No actually, that's not why. You wrote two paragraphs guessing why I believe Alexandrian has an inferiority complex, and you got it completely wrong. Alexandrian: I don't mean it in an insulting way, go ahead, identify yourself as white, be proud of that. HOWEVER In nearly EVERY one of the nearly 500 posts you've accumulated in a tiny amount of time, you are posting something that has to do with your acclaimed "lebanese and armenian heritage" and your "whiteness." All of your posts read "OMG PEOPLE THINK IM GREEK NOT ARAB LOL" or "OMG I LUV BEIN PART AERMINAN" What I'm trying to say is, go ahead and be proud of what you call yourself, but it can be inferred from your posts that you have an inferiority complex because you feel the need to express your stance on who you are in everything you post. I'm interested to see what your reply will be.
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Post by IfTheLightTakesUs on Feb 23, 2005 23:06:19 GMT -5
Well, that's too bad for him, it doesn't happen to me. I'm just saying not all Arabs are treated badly in America, contrary to what CAIR or ADC might want you to think. By the way, people, just to clarify, I'm not saying I don't get grouped with Arabs or sometimes associated with terrorists, but when it happens it's in a joking manner and I'm trying to say I've never been discriminated against because of my heritage. What part of the country do you live in?
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Post by alexandrian on Feb 23, 2005 23:26:18 GMT -5
No actually, that's not why. You wrote two paragraphs guessing why I believe Alexandrian has an inferiority complex, and you got it completely wrong. Alexandrian: I don't mean it in an insulting way, go ahead, identify yourself as white, be proud of that. HOWEVER In nearly EVERY one of the nearly 500 posts you've accumulated in a tiny amount of time, you are posting something that has to do with your acclaimed "lebanese and armenian heritage" and your "whiteness." All of your posts read "OMG PEOPLE THINK IM GREEK NOT ARAB LOL" or "OMG I LUV BEIN PART AERMINAN" What I'm trying to say is, go ahead and be proud of what you call yourself, but it can be inferred from your posts that you have an inferiority complex because you feel the need to express your stance on who you are in everything you post. I'm interested to see what your reply will be. I don' t think I've mentioned my mixed Mediterranean heritage more than a few times. Moreover, when I say people confuse me as Greek, it's to show that Egyptians can end up looking Mediterranean or typically Middle Eastern. IF its true of me, its true of other Egyptians as well. It's not like I'm pulling these things out of my ass to whitewash me....these mistakes actually happened, and I'm not lying about my heritage. I don't think I've overdone it at all. What I don't understand is why you don't identify yourself as Caucasian. btw, I'm in the west, which I assume has less ethnic tension than places like NJ, NYC, or Detroit.
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Post by IfTheLightTakesUs on Feb 23, 2005 23:47:32 GMT -5
I don' t think I've mentioned my mixed Mediterranean heritage more than a few times. Moreover, when I say people confuse me as Greek, it's to show that Egyptians can end up looking Mediterranean or typically Middle Eastern. IF its true of me, its true of other Egyptians as well. It's not like I'm pulling these things out of my ass to whitewash me....these mistakes actually happened, and I'm not lying about my heritage. I don't think I've overdone it at all. What I don't understand is why you don't identify yourself as Caucasian. btw, I'm in the west, which I assume has less ethnic tension than places like NJ, NYC, or Detroit. I'm not doubting your heritage at all, it just seems that you emphasize it a bit too much. For the record, I do identify with Caucasian. You've seen pictures of me, haven't you? Contrast those with your average European mixed American and you see an obvious difference. Egyptians and persians tend to quietly blend in without causing too much of a ruckus, though. That said, people around here are total racists, you are either white or non white here, which is acceptable considering America's past. ALSO: From how you've described yourself, you sound as if you would be considered non-white here.
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Post by alexandrian on Feb 24, 2005 0:02:00 GMT -5
I'm not doubting your heritage at all, it just seems that you emphasize it a bit too much. For the record, I do identify with Caucasian. You've seen pictures of me, haven't you? Contrast those with your average European mixed American and you see an obvious difference. Egyptians and persians tend to quietly blend in without causing too much of a ruckus, though. That said, people around here are total racists, you are either white or non white here, which is acceptable considering America's past. ALSO: From how you've described yourself, you sound as if you would be considered non-white here. I agree that Middle Easterners do blend in without causing too much of a ruckus. I wouldn't say people are total racists. It depends on how someone defines white. I have fairly typical Mediterrranean looks, so I can usually pass for a Greek, I can't pass for like a WASP though if thats what you mean. When people guess where I'm from, they usually choose Greek or Jewish. One person even guessed Swiss, but that doesn't mean much because I don't think that person knew what he was talking about. But most people I've interacted with don't consider me all too different. There are many who think I'm Arab and tend to separate that from white. There are others who know i'm Middle Eastern or Mediterranean, and to them that defines white. So it really depends on that person's definiton of white. THis one black guy told me I was too white to be Egyptian because the original Egyptians were black. He wouldn't accept that I was Egyptian, and kept calling me Jewish. Anyway, I'll stop with the stories. It's contentionable whether or not I'm consider "white" in America because it does vary based on where I am and who I am with. I'm sure you've had similar experiences.
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Post by alexandrian on Feb 24, 2005 0:05:40 GMT -5
Egyptians and persians tend to quietly blend in without causing too much of a ruckus, though. We get associated with Persians A LOT. Does that happen to you too?
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Post by IfTheLightTakesUs on Feb 24, 2005 1:05:15 GMT -5
See the conception of white is WASP or nothing over here. We get associated with Persians A LOT. Does that happen to you too? Indeed, actually I don't think anyone has ever thought of me as anything but a Persian. I wonder why it is. I'm not complaining though, alot of them are noble people and they have the most beautiful women in the world so it's cool ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by alexandrian on Feb 24, 2005 1:13:32 GMT -5
See the conception of white is WASP or nothing over here. Where are you? In my area, most people acknowledge that Mediterraneans and most Middle Easterners are white, as long as they have light skin. A lot still have a hard time acknowledging that dark Egyptians/Arabs are white even if they have obvious Caucasian characteristics. Sometimes people are surprised to find out that North Africans and "Arabs" can be light-skinned. Indeed, actually I don't think anyone has ever thought of me as anything but a Persian. I wonder why it is. I'm not complaining though, alot of them are noble people and they have the most beautiful women in the world so it's cool Yeah, Persians are good people, though they've picked up a not-so-good stereotype of them being rich, selfish, snobby, and rude. Whenever my family eats at a Persian restaurant, the waiter comes up to us and talks in Farsi. It's pretty cool though.
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Post by IfTheLightTakesUs on Feb 24, 2005 1:31:29 GMT -5
Where are you? In my area, most people acknowledge that Mediterraneans and most Middle Easterners are white, as long as they have light skin. A lot still have a hard time acknowledging that dark Egyptians/Arabs are white even if they have obvious Caucasian characteristics. Sometimes people are surprised to find out that North Africans and "Arabs" can be light-skinned. Yeah, Persians are good people, though they've picked up a not-so-good stereotype of them being rich, selfish, snobby, and rude. Whenever my family eats at a Persian restaurant, the waiter comes up to us and talks in Farsi. It's pretty cool though. Well I'm definetly not considered white, most people were very surprised that there's no "arab" box for me to check haha. When I was talking about marking "white" I got outraged replies like (no exaggeration) "WHAT THE f*ck BUT YOU AREN'T WHITE!" It was kind of funny, I was like, "uh, calm down." The Iranian stereotype is usually true, I hate to say. I haven't even met one that isn't pompous and snotty to me. My aunt is persian, she is nice though. That being said, their pompousness can be excused because the women are beautiful.
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Post by alexandrian on Feb 24, 2005 1:51:28 GMT -5
Well I'm definetly not considered white, most people were very surprised that there's no "arab" box for me to check haha. When I was talking about marking "white" I got outraged replies like (no exaggeration) "WHAT THE f*ck BUT YOU AREN'T WHITE!" It was kind of funny, I was like, "uh, calm down." That happens to me too sometimes. They say "but you're not white, you're Arab". Doesn't happen as much anymore though. Its weird though, there are people who think I'm "white" until they find out I'm Middle Eastern, and all of a sudden, it's like you can't be both. Yeah, the Persian stereotype is usually true. But there are exceptions. I actually think Egyptians are a very humble people, even though most in the States have found relative success, they don't let it get to them. A lot of Lebanese are snobby too. Oh, and have you ever been considered Mexican? I've gotten the half-white half-Mexican guess on more than one occasion..
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Post by IfTheLightTakesUs on Feb 24, 2005 14:49:40 GMT -5
That happens to <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href=" www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=22&k=me%20too" onmouseover="window.status='me too'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">me too</a> sometimes. They say "but you're not white, you're Arab". Doesn't happen as much anymore though. Its weird though, there are people who think I'm "white" until they find out I'm Middle Eastern, and all of a sudden, it's like you can't be both. Yeah, the Persian stereotype is usually true. But there are exceptions. I actually think Egyptians are a very humble people, even though most in the States have found relative success, they don't let it get to them. A lot of Lebanese are snobby too. Oh, and have you ever been considered Mexican? I've gotten the half-white half-Mexican guess on more than one occasion.. This Spaniard that works at the Home Depot we always go to, he thought we were hispanic for like a month and he kept calling my dad senor and stuff, it was great. On many occasions when my dad used to have his mustache people would just start speaking in spanish.
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