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Post by santana on Feb 19, 2005 23:17:24 GMT -5
phoenicians werent semitic..they spoke a semitic language but htey were not semites...
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Post by Solomon on Feb 20, 2005 2:23:10 GMT -5
The Phoenicians spoke a Semitic language, thus they were Semites. There's nothing more to it than that.
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Post by Josh on Feb 20, 2005 18:02:58 GMT -5
The Phoenicians spoke a Semitic language, thus they were Semites. There's nothing more to it than that. I think that he meant that Phoenicians were racially more like Europeans than the majority of Middle Easterners, which I think could be true if Hannibal's bust was representative of the Phoenician population. ![](http://www.fenrir.dk/images/history/gallery/hannibal01.jpg)
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Post by Solomon on Feb 21, 2005 1:32:33 GMT -5
The Phoenicians are still around, today they call themselves Lebanese, Syrian, and Palestinian. The ancient Phoenicians were no different than any other Levantine people.
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Post by Solomon on Feb 21, 2005 1:34:45 GMT -5
I don't think Hannibal was present when that bust was made. ;D
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Post by Ashurbanipal on Feb 23, 2005 4:02:44 GMT -5
Funny, Phoenicians invented the Semetic alphabet, and are one of the forefathers of Semites included with the Akkadians, Babylonians etc. On what grounds do people see Phoenicians as not being Semetic? I really think people confuse Philistine and Phoenician all the time, I myself used to ignorantly make that mistake.
Philistine-"Aegean"
Phoenician- Semite
Later, Phoenicians founded Carthage thus Carthaginian.
You must also remember, that people of one nation used to "find" cities and create city-states. This is why Carthaginians are called as such and not Phoenician, but history will tell you they are the same people and not different. Akkadians were forefathers to Assyrians (Ashur-citystate) and Babylonians (Babel-citystate) and these city states rise and gain their own popularity and name. In comparison, you can think of a Chicagoan, New Yorker, etc but these are all Americans correct?
I went slightly off topic but I felt obliged to inform the unfortunate misinformed, and oh yeah, Phoenicians were SEMITES. (dont forget who the real Semites are)
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Post by ghotme on Feb 23, 2005 17:08:28 GMT -5
Semitic alphabet? what is the semitic alphabet? hebrew alphabet if different than arab alphabert, phoenicians invented the western alphabet Funny, Phoenicians invented the Semetic alphabet, and are one of the forefathers of Semites included with the Akkadians, Babylonians etc. On what grounds do people see Phoenicians as not being Semetic? I really think people confuse Philistine and Phoenician all the time, I myself used to ignorantly make that mistake. Philistine-"Aegean" Phoenician- Semite Later, Phoenicians founded Carthage thus Carthaginian. You must also remember, that people of one nation used to "find" cities and create city-states. This is why Carthaginians are called as such and not Phoenician, but history will tell you they are the same people and not different. Akkadians were forefathers to Assyrians (Ashur-citystate) and Babylonians (Babel-citystate) and these city states rise and gain their own popularity and name. In comparison, you can think of a Chicagoan, New Yorker, etc but these are all Americans correct? I went slightly off topic but I felt obliged to inform the unfortunate misinformed, and oh yeah, Phoenicians were SEMITES. (dont forget who the real Semites are)
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Post by Ashurbanipal on Feb 23, 2005 17:21:52 GMT -5
I ghot you. They invented the 22 letter alphabet, that Phoenicians and the rest of the Semites used. As I already pointed out, the Greeks took or copied that idea of the alphabet. History tells you Phoenicians are Semites, you and a few others are simply trying to discredit the Semite for some odd reason. The Phoenicians were the heart of Semites, along with the Assyrians, Akkadians, Babylonians and Hebrews (Canaanites as well).
The Arabs are the only "Semites" who dont use a 22 letter alphabet, thus should raise question if they really are Semites or just an off shoot. This also should let you know, what the REAL definition of Semite is, the peoples (aforementioned) that PREDATE Arabs by thousands of years who differed from Arabs PHYSICALLY as well.
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Post by ghotme on Feb 23, 2005 19:20:29 GMT -5
I dont care if phoenicians was semites or not, but they invented the weastern alphabet, and its a fact! But they dont look like Arabs semites, phoenians was close to jews not to arabs. I ghot you. They invented the 22 letter alphabet, that Phoenicians and the rest of the Semites used. As I already pointed out, the Greeks took or copied that idea of the alphabet. History tells you Phoenicians are Semites, you and a few others are simply trying to discredit the Semite for some odd reason. The Phoenicians were the heart of Semites, along with the Assyrians, Akkadians, Babylonians and Hebrews (Canaanites as well). The Arabs are the only "Semites" who dont use a 22 letter alphabet, thus should raise question if they really are Semites or just an off shoot. This also should let you know, what the REAL definition of Semite is, the peoples (aforementioned) that PREDATE Arabs by thousands of years who differed from Arabs PHYSICALLY as well.
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Post by alexandrian on Feb 23, 2005 20:13:51 GMT -5
I dont care if phoenicians was semites or not, but they invented the weastern alphabet, and its a fact! But they dont look like Arabs semites, phoenians was close to jews not to arabs. I hate to break it to you.....but Jews are Semites
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Post by ghotme on Feb 23, 2005 20:24:40 GMT -5
WTF? are u blind or what? i dont say that jews are not semites, but they are not like arabs. Actualy phoenians and hebrews was almost the same people,arabs was a negroid-semitic mix I hate to break it to you.....but Jews are Semites
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Post by alexandrian on Feb 23, 2005 20:43:10 GMT -5
WTF? are u blind or what? i dont say that jews are not semites, but they are not like arabs. Actualy phoenians and hebrews was almost the same people,arabs was a negroid-semitic mix PHoenicians and Hebrews were far from the same people. Furthermore, Arabs are not a negroid-semitic mix at all. Many southern Arabs have negroid admixture but it is not very predominant among Arabs.
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Post by Ashurbanipal on Feb 23, 2005 21:12:26 GMT -5
GHOT ME is lost and doesnt like to listen to facts.
Northern Semites are SIMILAR to each other in physical characteristics AND language structure, including the alphabet.
For the last time, the NORTHERN Semites, are Hebrews, Israelites, Judeans, Akkadians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Canaanites, and Phoenicians.
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Post by ghotme on Feb 23, 2005 21:30:04 GMT -5
What are u trying to say? i sayd that northern semites is totally different than southern semites, and it is the fact. GHOT ME is lost and doesnt like to listen to facts. Northern Semites are SIMILAR to each other in physical characteristics AND language structure, including the alphabet. For the last time, the NORTHERN Semites, are Hebrews, Israelites, Judeans, Akkadians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Canaanites, and Phoenicians.
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Post by Solomon on Feb 23, 2005 21:37:03 GMT -5
PHoenicians and Hebrews were far from the same people. He has a point. The Hebrews and Phoenicians (Canaanites) were essentially the same people. Their differences had more to do with religion, Jews were monotheistic and Phoenicians were polytheistic. Sub-Sharan ancestry in the Arabian Peninsula very common. East Africans and Arabs have been mixing for thousands of years.
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