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Post by Igu on Feb 4, 2005 17:18:33 GMT -5
Ancient Egyptians were physically intermediate, perhaps with a leaning towards the Mediterranean. what an intelligence! _________________________________________ --------------------- . --------------+------ _________________________________________ where is the "plus"? at the right (starting from the point) or at the left? I know your answer! "intermediate! or perhaps slightly leaning to the right!
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Post by Brasidas on Feb 4, 2005 17:22:57 GMT -5
First off people claiming that the Egyptians are not black has nothing to do racism or bias. The fact is, is that the Egyptians were a Mediteranean people. They were not black. They were seperated by the Sahara for thousands of years. It wasn't until the middle Kingdom that they made regular contact with Nubians. The Egyptians specifically distinct themselves from the Nubians. Now that this is said there was ONE Nubian Pharoah. He reigned for about 50 years. Of course even before and after that there probably was a slight mixture of Nubians with the Native Egyptians. But probably more than 90% of the population was of a distinct people. You can look in the streets of Egypt today and you can see many of the descendants of the ancient Egyptians. There is probably around 5 percent of the population that has Nubian blood and you can see the distinction(from the complexion and facial structure). Now, for the Pyramids. The Pyramids were built at the beginning of the 3rd Dyanasty(the step Pyramids). The Pyramid of Khufu(the great Pyramid) was built in the 4th Dynasty. It wasn't until later that the Egyptians pushed into Nubia. Next, the Pyramids were not built by slaves, they were built by the Egyptian people. Keep in mind that the Nile floods six months out of the year. So what would the people do?? They served their God the Pharoah. They felt it their duty to do so(Kind of like a Feudal system in Europe. They were the ones who built the Pyramids. Several years ago an American archaeologist uncovered the laborers town next to the Giza Plateau. They found all kinds of burials, offerings, mess halls, homes, smiths, etc. The way that the workers were buried and lived shows that they were not slaves. Many of the skeletal remains showed signs of medical treatment(which the slaves would not have had). Next, the Nubians also built small burial Pyramids. But they were very different from Egyptians, thus showing a different civilization all together. Here is a link to the Nubian Pyramids. www.egyptologyonline.com/pyramids_-_late.htm From this you will see, just from the different styles of burials and Pyramids, that the Nubians were distinct form the Egyptians. If the Nubians and Egyptians were the same people then the Nubian pyramids would have been the same as well as their burial practices, but they were not. So yes there were some Nubians in Egypt but they were a minority only. And No the Pyramids were not built by slaves. These are just what can be shown by archaeological evidence. One final thing, there are some depictions showing some ancient Egytians as "Black"(depicted with a medium to dark brown, but the vast majority show a Semitic/Mediterranian(I.E. dark red, olive complexions) look, which goes along with what I have just said.
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Post by eufrenio on Feb 4, 2005 17:23:12 GMT -5
And as it stands, I have prosted various pictures of what you might call "black" ancient egyptians, whether or not they were fully "black" is irrelevant, according to the one-drop rule they are. Forget about the one-drop rule. I does not apply outside of the USA. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by Kame on Feb 4, 2005 17:36:57 GMT -5
![](http://www.bium.univ-paris5.fr/sfhad/vol7/img/gd/02-04.jpg) Hmm looks sorta like this guy ![](http://www.selamta.net/Afar%20man.jpg) Listen, "whites" or dark whites or whatever you call them don't have a monopoly on those features. Besides I did'nt say Egypt was completely black, I said it was atleast predominantly black or mulatto, ofcourse west asians lived there. The second picture is still consistent with alot of east-africans and african-americans, and regardless of the pearl-hue that they have. Umm no, that first statement is just not accurate, the berbers were nomads, and berbers range incredibly in phenotype, egyptian features are fairly consistent, they look like mutattoes or somali's to me. Hmmm, yeah only forget about it when it comes to egypt, but use it when it is convenient for whites to exclude blacks. Egypt= the one drop rule coming back to bite white supremecy in the ass.
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Post by Igu on Feb 4, 2005 17:41:45 GMT -5
I said it was atleast predominantly black or mulatto Lol, this is a very cute troll ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) and berber are nomads? exept the touareg (I agree, these ones look mulatto and are not related to AE for sure!), all berbers are sedentary, I imagine myself on a camel ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by Kame on Feb 4, 2005 17:44:54 GMT -5
Awww, thanks ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) . I think it's more like schooling. Or presenting differing viewpoints other than the med-apologist/supremecist one.
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Post by Josh on Feb 4, 2005 17:45:23 GMT -5
some old, dusty post made 3 years ago, they are no longer relevant This board is only a few months more than a year old.
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Post by IfTheLightTakesUs on Feb 4, 2005 17:46:47 GMT -5
Haha, Kwame you are blind with your insecurity! Something I have noticed is that the average guy doesn't think Egypt was "black," in fact I brought it up with some of my friends (who are oblivious to race, really) and they started cracking up. Come on man, give it up, nobody buys into this stuff. I have a great idea, go to raceandstuff.tk, create a username (if you don't have one already) and post away! There are tons of people like you there, you'll fit right in. Maybe you're right, you have a rich African heritage. One of the greatest civilizations ever was compromised wholly of your strong, dark, handsome ancestors... ![](http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00000ICNC.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg) LMFAO, yeah right! hahahahaha
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Post by Kame on Feb 4, 2005 17:47:21 GMT -5
Who cares? Semantics won't do anyway, I still got my point across.
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Post by Igu on Feb 4, 2005 17:48:12 GMT -5
Awww, thanks ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) . I think it's more like schooling. Or presenting differing viewpoints other than the med-apologist/supremecist one. there's no medicism, I am north african man and it's not an AA teenager who discovered the existence of berbers last week that will tell me how my people is!
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Post by IfTheLightTakesUs on Feb 4, 2005 17:51:35 GMT -5
there's no medicism, I am north african man and it's not an AA teenager who discovered the existence of berbers last week that will tell me how my people is! Why do you have a Venom quote in your sig? I'm sure you could have found something better to quote than a fake metal band.
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Post by Kame on Feb 4, 2005 17:53:54 GMT -5
Who cares whether or not they beleive it, I don't know your friends, they're not egyptology field leaders anyway.
As I said before it's not entirely implausible at all nor is it "afrocentrist" to beleive egypt was "black" in our modern concept of the term, egypt is geographically and culturally consistent.
And no I don't think they looked like Nas, or west africans if thats what your implying, however their features are consistent with alot of east-africans.
Umm no, I knew about their existence for quite some time, although no one else really cares who they are, they are obscure and don't get much exposure.
Are you saying they were not nomads?
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Post by eufrenio on Feb 4, 2005 17:55:43 GMT -5
In order to understand other cultures, you need the ability to escape your parochial mind-set. Do you really think that Igu, Berter, IFTHELIGHT, Alexandrian, myself and other non-US Dodona members think in terms of one-drop rule? ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) That we are part of the same "conspiracy" that put your people down?
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Post by Igu on Feb 4, 2005 18:06:00 GMT -5
Why do you have a Venom quote in your sig? I'm sure you could have found something better to quote than a fake metal band. They wear style, they play a very good thrash-M and their lyrics are lustful, sure they don't play satriani... as the majority of the bands you listen to! the music of burzum is very baisc though we like it. complexity is not the key.
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Post by human2 on Feb 4, 2005 18:09:23 GMT -5
what an intelligence! _________________________________________ --------------------- . --------------+------ _________________________________________ where is the "plus"? at the right (starting from the point) or at the left? I know your answer! "intermediate! or perhaps slightly leaning to the right! Let me ask you this... Have you looked at the paleontological record? The archaeological record? The genetic record? I have at least glanced at it.
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