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Post by mike2 on Mar 11, 2005 17:53:06 GMT -5
I think the Nubian is a bad example for comparison anyway. Nubians are Nilotids. All that mural does is prove the Egyptians were not Nilotes. Now, if we wanted to compare Egyptians to Aethiopids we would need a mural depicting Somalis. Unfortunately no such mural exists to my knowledge.
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Post by Faelcind on Mar 11, 2005 18:00:29 GMT -5
I have 20/7 vision I can see very well the egyptian nose is upturned, and the Nubian nose is nothing like you describe it its too small to describe in that much detail it is more upturned but also appears pointy. There are very significant differences between the nubian and egyptian faces but there are also significant differences between the egyptian and libyan face. The Libyan has larger downturned nose more so then the Syrian's actually, the libyan face is larger, indicating the greater facial relief charecteristic of caucasians. The Egyptian face actually is more similar to the syrian then the libyan, the syrians have smaller noses and more delicate faces. The nubian is much more prognathic then the egyptian and has larger whiter eyes indicating the lack of orbit protrusian seen in negroids. I have said before that I think that AE's were mostly caucasian but in this picture the egyptian looks equidistant from the libyan and nubian to me. If you think I come to that conclusion because of some liberal desire to appease blacks your just betraying your own biases, If payed attention you would notice I don't attempt to appease anyone. I have spent as much time roundly dinouncing black african claims to egypt as I have attempting to rid you of your delusions of purity.
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Post by alexandrian on Mar 11, 2005 18:03:18 GMT -5
The Nubian nose isn't even remotely pointy, it's really round and extremely upturned. The Egyptian nose on the other hand protrudes outwards in a straight direction. No upturning. THe libyan is on the far left, the Syrian to the immediate left of the egyptian. The Syrian has a much longer, more hooked nose than the Libyan. I still see both the Egyptians and Libyans with a small, straight, pointy nose and I don't see the upturn. The mouth of Egyptians and Libyans are also similar. Notice how difference the Nubians' lips are from everyone else.
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Post by mike2 on Mar 11, 2005 18:04:24 GMT -5
Indeed. Faelcind is hardly trying to appease blacks, Alexandrian. He's just making some observations.
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Post by mike2 on Mar 11, 2005 18:17:00 GMT -5
Hey, guys, I enlarged the picture two times and scrunched everybody together. Maybe it'll be a little easier to compare now. I think these guys in the mural should form their own band. They look like they can seriously rock.
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Post by Faelcind on Mar 11, 2005 20:16:17 GMT -5
Its unfortunate that the libyan's nose colour is so similar to the background it confuses the line of his nose but it clear looks larger and mor convex then the syrians to me. The degree of concavity of the Nubians is more apparent here much more so then any of the others, the nose still looks basically pointed but I think its reasonable to assume the impression meant to come across was more rounded. The egyptian nose looks like a cross between the syrian and the nubian favoring the syrian, its only slightly concave and defineatly longer and higher rooted then the nubians. Its defineatly shorter and rounder lookin then the syrian's.
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Post by alexandrian on Mar 11, 2005 20:43:45 GMT -5
Its unfortunate that the libyan's nose colour is so similar to the background it confuses the line of his nose but it clear looks larger and mor convex then the syrians to me. The degree of concavity of the Nubians is more apparent here much more so then any of the others, the nose still looks basically pointed but I think its reasonable to assume the impression meant to come across was more rounded. The egyptian nose looks like a cross between the syrian and the nubian favoring the syrian, its only slightly concave and defineatly longer and higher rooted then the nubians. Its defineatly shorter and rounder lookin then the syrian's. Don't you notice the clear hook in the Syrian's nose? What similarities do you see between the Egyptian nose and the Nubian nose? I see none. I also don't see much similarity with the Syrian. The Libyan on the far left has a relatively small nose and also pointy, like the Egyptian, and neither of them have noses that are remotely upturned. Also, why are all the races looking straight ahead except for the Nubian looking up? Also, the Nubian's nose seems to be fatter than anyone else. He's definitely the odd man out when it comes to features in this pic.
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Post by Faelcind on Mar 11, 2005 21:01:36 GMT -5
I beleive the libyan is represented between the nubian and the african, that figure has clearly hooked nose. The similarity between the egyptian nose is somewhat similar to the nubian in that is it slight concave is small and moderately low rooted it looks slightly rounded to me(compared to the figures on the left) but that could easily be an artifact of its small size and low level of resolution.
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Post by Faelcind on Mar 11, 2005 21:04:18 GMT -5
I agree with mike that egyptians have more affinties with ethiopian and somalian type east africans then nilotic negroids.
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Post by alexandrian on Mar 11, 2005 21:56:37 GMT -5
I beleive the libyan is represented between the nubian and the african, that figure has clearly hooked nose. The similarity between the egyptian nose is somewhat similar to the nubian in that is it slight concave is small and moderately low rooted it looks slightly rounded to me(compared to the figures on the left) but that could easily be an artifact of its small size and low level of resolution. The Libyans are the four people to the left of the Nubians whereas the Syrian is the hooked-nose man to the immediate left of the Egyptian. I must admit I don't see much rounded-ness or concave-ness in the Egyptian. I'm pretty sure its the low level of resolution. This debate would be much faster and less subjective if we were right there at the original tomb.
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Post by alexandrian on Mar 11, 2005 21:56:59 GMT -5
I agree with mike that egyptians have more affinties with ethiopian and somalian type east africans then nilotic negroids. They're still closer to West Asians and Berbers than any of the above groups.
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Post by Kame on Mar 11, 2005 23:24:35 GMT -5
Really who takes alexandrian seriously? Ummm, nobody, you are on the fringe my friend, not even shenuda agrees with you.
It's like you have so sort of obssession with "caucasianess" or something, give it a rest already.
Stop leveling accusations at people. You know nothing of what they are like in real life, this is a message board.
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Post by Faelcind on Mar 12, 2005 1:27:08 GMT -5
Modern egyptian of course AE's probably except maybe Ethiopians who are fairly intermediate themselves.
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Post by Faelcind on Mar 12, 2005 1:28:04 GMT -5
BTW well we agree on which figure has the hooknose but ever source I can find calls it the libyan. It might make more since the other way though since he has a most semetic looking nose.
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Post by alexandrian on Mar 12, 2005 2:32:23 GMT -5
Really who takes alexandrian seriously? Ummm, nobody, you are on the fringe my friend, not even shenuda agrees with you. It's like you have so sort of obssession with "caucasianess" or something, give it a rest already. Stop leveling accusations at people. You know nothing of what they are like in real life, this is a message board. No my friend, you and your fellow believers in a black Egypt are on the fringe. Leave your extremem AFrocentrist black-only circles and enter the real world and people won't take you seriously. More people on this board agree with me than you, and even Shenuda says egyptians are majority Med Caucasoid. It's laughable for you to say I'm on the fringe, mr. OH-the-egyptians-are-so-black
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