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Post by Whyareuhere on Feb 22, 2005 0:10:23 GMT -5
Kame: Take your place among the intellectually challenged! Excuse me for now, but I have to go manipulate my genitals! can you even find those, mhagneto= magnifying glass
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Post by Shenuda on Feb 22, 2005 12:16:30 GMT -5
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Post by TheMostRoyalLady on Feb 22, 2005 15:52:23 GMT -5
Don't think. It's clearly not working for you. Try doing some research instead. Imhotep: Look. you know what i think---everything you claim is wrong.So why do you bother? Clearly. , when one provides intellectual information, and the other retaliates with...oh wait...NOTHING. We inhabit separate intellectual universes Oh, the irony. So doing primary research, and providing the findings leads people to believe you're dumb? LOL. That's new to me. So what does that make you? LOL. we might not even be of the same species. It is creatures like you (and Diop, Dr ben,and Cwinters) who have led non blacks to the belief that your race is the dumbest on earth.
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Post by TheMostRoyalLady on Feb 22, 2005 15:58:34 GMT -5
And when was these photos taken? Ummm....exactly.
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Post by alexandrian on Feb 22, 2005 18:17:21 GMT -5
And when was these photos taken? Ummm....exactly. it doesn't matter when...it matters where....these pictures were taken in Egypt, the land of The Ancient Egyptians hahaha....you make me laugh....you can't handle the fact that you would look out of place in Egypt today and likewise in the Egypt of yesteryear. You can't prove that the ancient Egyptians are not linked to the modern Egyptians. The burden of proof is on YOU. Afrocentrists are so pathetic, you circle this board en masse, only posting about Egypt, reiterating misinformation after misinformation trying to steal Egypt from the Egyptians. You guys even use mutliworded screennames to bring yourselves up and boost your low self esteem. Who else would call themesleves a "Royal Queen"??
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Post by TheMostRoyalLady on Feb 22, 2005 21:24:27 GMT -5
I'll say it one more time. Those are contemporary inhabitants of the place now called egypt. There's nothing ancient about them. it doesn't matter when...it matters where....these pictures were taken in Egypt, the land of The Ancient Egyptians LOL. What makes you think I care about whether I fit in into contemporary Egypt or not? hahaha....you make me laugh....you can't handle the fact that you would look out of place in Egypt today and likewise in the Egypt of yesteryear. I'm not trying to. You can't prove that the ancient Egyptians are not linked to the modern Egyptians. Now why do contemporary Egyptians feel that if the proper credit is given to those it's due to, then it's stealing from them? Afrocentrists are so pathetic, you circle this board en masse, only posting about Egypt, reiterating misinformation after misinformation trying to steal Egypt from the Egyptians. LOL at you making fun of my user name. At least get it right. Geez. Anyway, it's called creativity, dummy. Learn it, use it, love it. You guys even use mutliworded screennames to bring yourselves up and boost your low self esteem. Who else would call themesleves a "Royal Queen"??
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Post by alexandrian on Feb 22, 2005 21:37:33 GMT -5
I'll say it one more time. Those are contemporary inhabitants of the place now called egypt. There's nothing ancient about them. What makes you think contemporary Egyptians aren't related to ancient Egyptians. Can you prove it? Of course not, you're an Afrocentrist you can't prove anything. Please, enlighten me as to how modern Egyptians are not the descendants of the ancient Egyptians, there is no recorded mass exodus of Egyptians from Egypt, and no record of an extermination of Egyptians. The burden of proof is on you. If modern Egyptians aren't the descendants of the ancient Egyptians, who are? Black Americans?? HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH Anyway, I'll just let you keep trying to remove me and my countrymen from our ancient heritage while you try to claim the glories of an empire that was never remotely yours. I'll sit here and laugh.
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Post by imhotep06 on Feb 23, 2005 12:19:45 GMT -5
Alexandrian, please get someone who is qualified to speak to come to your defense. You can't even deal with the fact that since around 700 BCE, that land has been occupied by Persians, Greeks, Romans, Turks and Arabs, and you swear the majority of people in what is now called Egypt are "pure" Egyptians from antiquity. Do you know how asinine that sounds? You were given pictorial evidence (usr-Mat-Ra Meri-Amen tombs), Testimonial Evidence from Diodorus and Herodotus, genetic sources from Dr. Spencer Wells (Journey of Man a genetic odyssey) and linguistic data from Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop and Dr. Clyde Winters. The only thing you came back with is some modern pictures of Arabs mixed with Turkish and some RECONSTRUCTIONS of Ra-Hotep and his wife. Your scholarship is elementary and I suggest you study more before you post anymore. Asar Imhotep www.mochasuite.com What makes you think contemporary Egyptians aren't related to ancient Egyptians. Can you prove it? Of course not, you're an Afrocentrist you can't prove anything. Please, enlighten me as to how modern Egyptians are not the descendants of the ancient Egyptians, there is no recorded mass exodus of Egyptians from Egypt, and no record of an extermination of Egyptians. The burden of proof is on you. If modern Egyptians aren't the descendants of the ancient Egyptians, who are? Black Americans?? HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH Anyway, I'll just let you keep trying to remove me and my countrymen from our ancient heritage while you try to claim the glories of an empire that was never remotely yours. I'll sit here and laugh.
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Post by mike2 on Feb 23, 2005 17:42:45 GMT -5
Like good ol' Mujahid said, if the ancient Egyptians had any Congoid blood in them at all, it would have been East African, or Aethiopid blood. Whatever the AE's were, they certainly weren't West African Negroes. If they were negroid, then they would have looked like Somalis or Ethiopians, not Nilotes or Negroes. The Afrocentrist point is mute. The only point it can hope to prove is that the Egyptians weren't pure Atlanto-Mediterraneans (Hamites).
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Post by alexandrian on Feb 23, 2005 18:20:09 GMT -5
Alexandrian, please get someone who is qualified to speak to come to your defense. You can't even deal with the fact that since around 700 BCE, that land has been occupied by Persians, Greeks, Romans, Turks and Arabs, and you swear the majority of people in what is now called Egypt are "pure" Egyptians from antiquity. Do you know how asinine that sounds? You were given pictorial evidence (usr-Mat-Ra Meri-Amen tombs), Testimonial Evidence from Diodorus and Herodotus, genetic sources from Dr. Spencer Wells (Journey of Man a genetic odyssey) and linguistic data from Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop and Dr. Clyde Winters. The only thing you came back with is some modern pictures of Arabs mixed with Turkish and some RECONSTRUCTIONS of Ra-Hotep and his wife. Your scholarship is elementary and I suggest you study more before you post anymore. Asar Imhotep www.mochasuite.com Wow. You are really a joke. I don't have any trouble at all knowing that my country was settled by some Greeks and Turks, why should I be ashamed of being mixed with other great civilizations? What I hate you for is that you are trying to deny the connection between modern Egyptians and ancient Egyptians, with no evidence whatsoever to support your point. All you say is that Egypt was occupied by foreign powers....you give no proof whatsoever to show that those foreign powers drastically changed the Egyptians bloodline. WHERE IS THE PROOF? ? There isn't any. You never provided any reliable genetic evidence to prove any of your points. I showed you picture after picture of ancient Egyptians, all of which were far from Negroe, and you never refuted any. I have shown more pictures of ancient Egyptians than you. One of the race reliefs you gave us, showed that Egyptians were substantially different from Nubians. Did you miss that one? Earlier in the thread I posted quotes from Manilius, Strabo, and another Greco-Roman explorer. Philostratus is also quoted as saying Egyptians are "tall and medium-toned". I have refuted the sole Herodotus quote which is the basis of Afrocentrist thought. I have also given genetic information. Not many genetic tests have been conducted on the Ancient Egyptians, but many have been on the modern Egyptians, proving they are Caucasian. Add to this the U of Cairo 2000 study showing that the DNA of the pyramid builders was almost identical to the DNA of your average modern Egyptian. You have never refuted a single evidence of mine...whereas I have refuted all of yours. I can go all out and post everything again, but maybe you should look into the history of this thread. If all your going to do is make baseless accusations and make assumptions with no factual basis whatsoever, then I urge you to leave this board.
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Post by mike2 on Feb 23, 2005 19:14:58 GMT -5
The Herodotus quote has been explained thoroughly by this site, a down-to-earth refutation of the Afrocentric idea of a Negro Egypt: www.geocities.com/enbp/And what's this nonsense about the Rahotep and Nofret statues being falsified reconstructions? The only thing falsified is that composite mural of foreign races Afrocentrists love to display on their websites. Falsified Drawing ( Afrocentric source): From left to right according to source: Egyptian, Semite, Other African, European Much more Accurate, Reliable Drawing ( source): From left to right according to source: 4 Libyans, Nubian, Syrian, Egyptian Now you tell me? Which one does your gut tell you is more likely to be accurate? Even the source I used who posted the false drawing had the labels for the foreign races wrong. That last one is a European? Suuure. Even if the falsified drawing was credible, why would the Egyptians suddenly portray themselves as black as Nubians? That is more suspect than anything. Black-skinned Egyptians would be completely inconsistent with their artistic style where they portrayed themselves as reddish-brown with Caucasoid features. If the Egyptians were Congoid, they would have had to have been East African Aethiopids. There is no way West African Negroes had anything to do with the racial makeup of Egypt.
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Post by alexandrian on Feb 23, 2005 19:23:05 GMT -5
In the drawing you posted the features of the Egyptians seem very similar to those of the Libyans (similar nose, lip, chin) whereas they portray Nubian noses as being quintessentially Negroid and Asiatic noses as being very hooked. Also, the Nubian's lips protrude more than those of any other nationality. Here is an even better portrayal of the race debate- straight from the tomb- special thanks to my Afrocentrist friend for providing it- THe difference between the Egyptian on the right and the Nubian in the center is striking and obvious. There are some detectable similarities between the Egyptian and the Asiatic on the left.
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Post by mike2 on Feb 23, 2005 19:34:40 GMT -5
Exactly. The complexion is secondary to the facial features.
The only possible way the Egyptians could have had black blood is if they were Aethiopids (basically an Atlanto-Mediterranean/Congoid hybrid type in my opinion). I could definitely consider a Hamito-Nilotic origin for many Egyptians, though I would argue that they leaned more toward the Caucasoid spectrum. Some ancient Egyptians (like modern ones) are distinctly Atlanto-Mediterranean, others distinctly Aethiopid, others distinctly Congoid, others distinctly European or Middle Eastern due to some admixture (though the admixture could have been no where near as pervasive as Afrocentrists claim), some distinctly mixed. Many seem to represent a mean type. Indeed, I believe today's Egyptians to be good physical representatives of the ancient ones. And if I were to make a movie, I would definitely cast modern Egyptians to play their ancient counterparts.
Regardless of whatever the AE's were, they were NOT West African and they were not Nordic. They were their own thing. This must be agreed upon or I can't take anything people of Afrocentrist persuasion might say seriously.
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Post by mhagneto on Feb 23, 2005 19:41:17 GMT -5
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Post by alexandrian on Feb 23, 2005 20:13:08 GMT -5
others distinctly Congoid,. Regardless of whatever the AE's were, they were NOT West African and they were not Nordic. They were their own thing. This must be agreed upon or I can't take anything people of Afrocentrist persuasion might say seriously. I agree with almost everything you said. However, I doubt you could find a modern Egyptian who looks distinctly Congoid. Egyptians do not naturally have black skin or very wide noses. Do keep in mind that Nubians are spread out in Egypt. Although they were originally concentrated in Nubia, in the wake of the Aswan Dam, many were forced to move to places as far north as Kom ombo. Many send their children to Cairo and Alexandria for work. Also, there are a little over 1 million Sudanese refugees (according to some estimates) living in Egypt. I do believe that the bulk, if not all, of the Congoids you see in Egypt are of Nubian or Sudanese origin. Furthermore, egyptians who look European do have foreign admixtures, however Middle-Eastern looking Egyptians (one who would fit in and not turn heads in the Gulf or parts of Iraq, Palestine, and Jordan) are the vast majority of the population and their Middle Eastern looks can not be attributed to foreign admixture. Anyway, just thought I'd try to clarify my points, I still agree with you though.
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