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Post by Springa on Feb 10, 2005 1:30:27 GMT -5
Depends on how you look at it. In a way, yes, many were wiped out. But in another way, they're still alive as a substantial part of the Brazilian gene pool. What's rare is Indians who still identify as Indians. But there are plenty of people who look like Indians but whose ancestors have been Christian and "civilised" for hundreds of years. There are about 100.000 "pure" and/or self proclaimed indians in Brazil. But there are millions of people who are visibly part indian. Were'nt the original natives nearly wiped out? Anyways, I was'nt talking about the other kids, I was speaking of the one in the front.
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Post by Kame on Feb 10, 2005 1:54:28 GMT -5
Now lets see what the great sensitive, tolerant one, Alexandrian has been quoted as saying: Not only are you a bigot, you would'nt even let your kids make their own romantic and reproductive decisions. You racist little man. Shame on you. Nubian channel 8 newswoman in Upper-Egypt, Isra Dahab: If I did'nt know better she'd look like a malaysian or filipino, but thats beside the point.
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Post by yigal on Feb 10, 2005 12:08:03 GMT -5
Well thats nice, even though he's only one person. Somehow amidst your garbled wording and horrific grammer, I was able to ascertain that you were in disagreement with my post. Translation: "I would not be thought of as egyptian, not even nubian". Atleast the others could type legibly, I can barely even understand you. Your post is not even worth a passing thought. Oh yeah? just because kus emmek looks like an archeological dig and smells like its been dead for thousands of years , and u came out of it doesnt make u or it egyptian tariq isnt the only egyptian ive met, ive met very plenty in BK which has a lil egypt, alot have brown skin but no black features,closest u come to black features is curly hair, Anwar sadat was half nubian when u see egyptians like him thats why they are like him,of course southern egypt has nubian blood and some identify as Egyptian but they still arent typical egyptian anymore than a half tatar is typical russian
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Post by Shenuda on Feb 10, 2005 12:17:21 GMT -5
Rather than taking your word for it, I'd rather just go there and see for myself. I can assure you that these people don´t look like most Egyptians: In Egypt, there are many mixed people, but not "black". The only black people in Egypt are Nubians or Sudanese. Dark Egyptian is called "asmar". It means dark. Blacks are called "sood"(=blacks) or "zonoog". Nubian channel 8 newswoman in Upper-Egypt, Isra Dahab: If I did'nt know better she'd look like a malaysian or filipino, but thats beside the point. This person doesn´t look like an average Egyptian Nubian. I think that your "Egyptians" like this guy are better example ;D There are some rather light-skined and caucasoid Nubians or Sudanese, for example Mohammad Mounir, but the only reason is that they are mixed with Arabic bedouins, or Egyptians from the North. And there is not any reason to call people like these "black": They are really more caucasoid than negroid and according to your "one drop rule" logic they could be also called "white",just because they are partially(or rather MORE) caucasoid. Trust me, I know what I am talking about ;D Kame ya 7abibi face it your not Egyptian and if you wher in misr u would be called abeed not even nubian "abeed"? If you mean 3abeet it means "idiot" ;D but if the right word is "3abd" it means actually "slave" and metaphorically "black person" or rather "nigger" both words are insulting. I would never call any black person "3abd"
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Post by Melnorme on Feb 10, 2005 12:31:09 GMT -5
Oh yeah? just because kus emmek looks like an archeological dig and smells like its been dead for thousands of years , and u came out of it doesnt make u or it egyptian
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Post by asdf on Feb 16, 2005 1:37:30 GMT -5
Ah yes . . . Blacks, the only race ever to enslave Jews.
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Post by alexandrian on Feb 16, 2005 2:02:17 GMT -5
Ah yes . . . Blacks, the only race ever to enslave Jews. That was sarcastic, right?
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Post by asdf on Feb 16, 2005 2:15:58 GMT -5
Of course.
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Post by Whyareuhere on Feb 18, 2005 1:14:56 GMT -5
This is just madness
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Post by imhotep06 on Feb 18, 2005 9:10:40 GMT -5
I haven’t read through all of the post but I must say that this thread is very amusing. The thread topic, “Does Black History Include the Pyramids?” in 2005 is quite a silly question in my opinion. The comments I have read on this thread are made by people who have not studied a lick by reading any primary documents or have done any excavations throughout any of the 2100 miles of the Nile River Valley. Let’s quote the Papyrus of Hunefer (British Museum papyrus No. 9901) as it states, “We came from the beginning of the Nile where the god Hapi dwells, at the foothills of the mountain of the moon" (which is Kilimanjaro between Kenya and Tanzania or Rwenzori in Uganda). Coincidentally, this is the same location where some of the world's oldest human fossils have been found and can ONLY be found. We can also look at the stone incense burner found by the Oriental Institute at Qustul, Sudan in what is known as “Cemetary L” that shows the NUBIAN predynastic origins of the Ta-Merrian civilization. For some linguistic proof, we can visit this link by Dr. Clyde Winters: www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/8919/theory2.htmAll of this to say that the Ta-Merrian’s (who you erroneously call Egyptians) were ethnically, phenotypically, culturally and linguistically, and are, African (in the most mundane sense of the word) people. The funny thing about this whole discussion is this concept of race and what many attribute to these mythical races. Africa is the birthplace of humanity and such holds every single phenotype imaginable, even to this date. There has never been a universal African phenotype. But that is a different discussion we can pick up on another thread. Let’s deal with these Mer’s (erroneously called Pyramids). Several people still hold on to the outdated notion that slaves built the Mers (Pyramids). What is even more idiotic (and I can’t believe someone had the audacity to post such stupidity) is that the so-called Jews built the pyramids (or any monument in Kmt). Let’s deal with a little chronology first: The first STONE Mer in Ta-Merry was built under the guise of Imhotep in 2780 BCE in the 3rd Dynastic Period. Abraham of the Bible (if he ever existed) was supposed to have been born between 1700-1675 BCE. This is during the 12th Dynastic Period. Moses himself was supposed to have been born 429 years later. How does Abraham become 600, 000 Israelites in the span of 429 years beats me, but back to the lecture. The LAST of the 72 Mers were built around 1715 during the 13th Dynastic Period. How in the world do Jews build Mers (pyramids) and they are NOT EVEN BORN YET? Keep in mind that the Pyramids go all the way down into Sudan. Civilization comes up from the laclustrine region, not down from Mesopotamia or Europe. These Mers are hundreds of years older than the first step Mer built by Imhotep and are made of “mud and straw bricks.” As time went on, the Africans built better Mers. It shows the improvement and growth in design of Mer building over the years. Trying to refute the fact that the “BLACK” Africans built the Mers only shows one’s ignorance and apparent racial bias. More than anything, it shows one’s lack of research and willingness to hold onto outdated information. To claim that the Africans basically have not done anything great (which I read some post back) shows one’s stupidity and lack of research in the field of Africana Studies. But I will let primary documents do the talking. Now for the people who claim that the Ta-Merrian’s were not a “BLACK” people, obviously hasn’t visited the Tomb of Usr-Maat-Ra Meri Amen (Rameses III) and seen the “Table of Nations” scene. Since Professor Manu Ampim has done an excellent job, using PRIMARY documentation from his OWN Visits, I will let him explain that here: www.mochasuite.com/Stories/ashaa_details.asp?ID=58If you want to know how the Greeks viewed these “Black, Africans called Egyptians,” and how they described them, I will give you some more PRIMARY documentation in which you can RESEARCH (for once) for yourselves: www.mochasuite.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1018&KW=quotesThis should be enough to get things started. I await some of your responses. Asar Sa Ra Imhotep MOCHA Urban Hang Suite www.mochasuite.com
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Post by NilevalleyTruths on Feb 18, 2005 12:47:03 GMT -5
im guessing do to the lack of response these aisinine white supremacists have seen the light or ran scared as they always do when light begins to shine.
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Post by Whyareuhere on Feb 18, 2005 12:50:43 GMT -5
my sentiments exactly!! Take off the white sheet already...........
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Post by mhagneto on Feb 18, 2005 15:22:45 GMT -5
What is your source for the quote from the Papyrus of Hunefer?
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Post by alexandrian on Feb 18, 2005 16:53:41 GMT -5
im guessing do to the lack of response these aisinine white supremacists have seen the light or ran scared as they always do when light begins to shine. If you're calling me or ITLTU white supremacists, then I hate to burst your bubble, but we're Egyptian. More egyptian than you'll ever be. In your desperate attempts to cling to a heritage nad find something that your ancestors accomplished, remeber that true egyptians don't support you. Remember that the only living links to the great ancient Egyptians are the modern-day Egyptians. Face it buddy, if you went to Egypt or visited an Egyptian-American gathering you would stick out like a sore thumb. Black Egyptians my ass. I'm Egyptian and I have people thinking I'm Greek, Italian, or Turkish. We're a Mediterranean people, face it buddy. Rare is the Egyptian who considers himself black or associated himself with black AFrica. Most consider themselves Middle Eastern, which is why they care so much about Palestine and don't really give anything about Rwanda. You know what, don't mind anything I just said before. I'm not gonna waste anymore time debating jealous, narrow-minded radicals about the origins of my ancestors. It's not worth it. People look at me and see a Mediterrranean and Middle Eastern, and all my peers associate Egypt with the Middle East. My ancestors were just like me, seeing as a U of Cairo study found the pyramid builders to be the same as modern-day Egyptians. If you want pictures, I can post some. Anyway, I'm not gonna bother to respond to these heinous things anymore. The only way to stop Afrocentrism is to ignore it.
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Post by NilevalleyTruths on Feb 18, 2005 17:38:57 GMT -5
First things First you are not my Buddy
As far as you being a white supermacists it has very little to do with your skin color or ethnicity you can be black as night and be a white supremacist. It deals more with your closed minded approach towards dealing with histotical information and Europeans and Non-Eupropeans, who have been indoctrined in European ways of thought. If you choose to completely ignore the information presented to you by imhotep06 sourced facts then that is on you. And your argument of the present day racial make up of Ta-merri-KMT-Eygpt is so mudane that i feel more ridiculous for responding to it than you should for putting it out there. Simple example in America when the Euporean man invaded America 1472 the racial makeup of America would have been mostly of Mongoloid peoples but today you would be hard pressed to find simialr patterns. Do little research and then take pride in what is yours. Find out about Hyskos, an Asiatic people, invasions and how it threw Ta-merri/Eygpt into a dark period of little development or advancement. andMe personally i take most of Pride in my rich West African culture. Such as the spritituals and number systems of my Yoruba ancestors, the great empires of Mali, Ghana, Songhay the amazing astronmy of the Dogon and the veracity of their knowledge of the stars. So when you racists jackals get overly excited of your Europes limited and mostly stolen accomplishments it only tickles me. What is Mediterrian please explain? anyway
HTP m Meru to my Afrikan and those who seek truth
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