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Post by Abubakari on Jan 7, 2005 10:28:31 GMT -5
Headrests are common all OVER Africa, except for maybe northwest Africa Ethiopia Luba- Zaire Congo Uganda Boni- Somalia Mali Egypt www.fieldmuseum.org/exhibits/exhibit_sites/eternalegypt/objects_art.htmlHeadrests are very varied throughout Africa. The oldest surving examples come from ancient Egypt, and most commonly consisted of three main parts: the base (generally oblong), a vertical part that acts as support, and a top part. These were often found in tombs, as the headrest often was buried along with its owner. www.african-tribal-arts.com/headrests.htmEgypt is African
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Post by Knight on Jan 7, 2005 15:19:28 GMT -5
Good job there! Why don't you go and give yourself a pat on the back! You've just verified what anyone can learn by looking at any old map or globe! Now, if you're suggesting that ancient Egypt was inhabited and ruled by a majority of sub-Saharans throughout its entire history, you should reaccess this conclusion. The great civilization of ancient egypt was founded and ruled by caucasoids and was only ruled by negoid conquerors in its latter years, during its decline. The existance of headrests is probably due to extensive contact with and trade with Nubia and other sub-Saharans throughout Egypt's history, or could have been brought along with the negroid conquerors. Nice try.
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Post by Abubakari on Jan 7, 2005 16:39:48 GMT -5
Good job there! Why don't you go and give yourself a pat on the back! You've just verified what anyone can learn by looking at any old map or globe! Now, if you're suggesting that ancient Egypt was inhabited and ruled by a majority of sub-Saharans throughout its entire history, you should reaccess this conclusion. The great civilization of ancient egypt was founded and ruled by caucasoids and was only ruled by negoid conquerors in its latter years, during its decline. The existance of headrests is probably due to extensive contact with and trade with Nubia and other sub-Saharans throughout Egypt's history, or could have been brought along with the negroid conquerors. Nice try. You are NOT very bright. When I said Egypt was indeed African I was referring to culture and if headrests were brought to Egypt via sub-Saharan conquerers why are the oldest examples found in Egypt? As for what racial affinities AEs had, they were a combination of coastal African and tropical African and the tropical African(Negroid) component was there since the beginning, not in later times.
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Post by Berter on Jan 7, 2005 17:31:10 GMT -5
You are NOT very bright. When I said Egypt was indeed African I was referring to culture I'm sure you were reffering to race. Anyway, culture and race are undissociable concepts; a homogeneous culture corresponds to a race(*) and vice virsa. There are serious problems of logic in all your posts, Darkstarr. Do these oldest headrests predate the 1st egyptian dynasties !? It depends on the geographical definition of Ancient Egypt. I think Ancient Egypt included initially only the north and the centre of present day Egypt. Nubia was probably annexed (and thus egyptianized) later. Even if we agree on that, they contributed nothing of value to Ancient Egypt's civilisation. ----------------------- (*) an enough biologically developped race .
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Post by Melnorme on Jan 7, 2005 17:39:23 GMT -5
I'm sure you were reffering to race. Anyway, culture and race are undissociable concepts; a homogeneous culture corresponds to a race(*) and vice virsa. What about Central Asian Turks...or Tuaregs? Do you think that they have had less developed cultures because they lived on the 'borderlands' of the major geographical races?
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Post by Berter on Jan 7, 2005 17:48:03 GMT -5
What about Central Asian Turks...or Tuaregs? Do you think that they have had less developed cultures because they lived on the 'borderlands' of the major geographical races? This isnt what I meant. My statement was that any discovered culture can be associated with a race. For example, the kurgan (spl!?) culture was associated with the kurgan people (an intermedial evolutionary stage of the aryan race).
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Post by Abubakari on Jan 7, 2005 18:19:40 GMT -5
Even if we agree on that, they contributed nothing of value to Ancient Egypt's civilisation. ----------------------- (*) an enough biologically developped race . Look prove your points instead of invading mythreads with nonsense about Negroids not contributing anything to Egyptian civilization. They did and this is fact.
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Post by Berter on Jan 7, 2005 18:24:34 GMT -5
Look prove your points instead of invading mythreads with nonsense about Negroids not contributing anything to Egyptian civilization. They did and this is fact. Serious question : have you been in Africa, specifically Black Africa !?
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Post by Abubakari on Jan 7, 2005 18:26:11 GMT -5
I'm sure you were reffering to race. Anyway, culture and race are undissociable concepts; a homogeneous culture corresponds to a race(*) and vice virsa. What ever, race and culture are NOT always the same and if i were refering to race moron why did I post headrests for? Anybody who quotes Coon as empirical evidence has no logic, earth to Berter, earth to Berter Whats the significance of that post? Headrest appears in west, East, central and south Africa, what difference does it make?
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Post by Abubakari on Jan 7, 2005 18:27:35 GMT -5
Serious question : have you been Africa, specifically black africa !? I have been to Africa and just because one has ben there it doesn't make that person a know it all about Africa.
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Post by Abubakari on Jan 7, 2005 18:31:57 GMT -5
This isnt what I meant. My statement was that any discovered culture can be assiciated with a race. For example, the kurgan (spl!?) culture was associated with the kurgan people (an intermedial evolutionary state of the aryan race). BS, Sumerians were a mix of races as was Egypt. Ancient Egyptian culture isn't associated with race. Culture in America has contributions from ALL races, not just one. Berber culture isn't associated with a race since Tuaregs are Berbers and are not 'pure'.
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Post by IfTheLightTakesUs on Jan 7, 2005 21:17:15 GMT -5
Yep, Egypt is in Africa, good job. Russia is in Asia, did you know that?
Africultura, you are all the same.
Anyone who disagrees with him, I suggest that you move on, that way he stops posting things seeking attention, and we can avoid having the same boring argument that you could find a thousand times by searching the boards.
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Post by Hallam on Jan 7, 2005 21:37:41 GMT -5
Upper Egypt was originally southern Egypt. This is where the first Pharoh (Narmer) came from. He united southern and northern Egypt.
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Post by Faelcind on Jan 7, 2005 21:47:31 GMT -5
The verbal wars over egpyt is hilarious if you ask me. If either side opened there eyes they would see yes the evidence could support both conclusions cause the area was allways a conduit for cultural and genetic exchange. Egyptians today look intermediate just as they did in dynastic period. The efforts of afrocentrists and white supremascists to claim them only reveals there own biases.
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Post by Abubakari on Jan 8, 2005 1:49:55 GMT -5
The verbal wars over egpyt is hilarious if you ask me. If either side opened there eyes they would see yes the evidence could support both conclusions cause the area was allways a conduit for cultural and genetic exchange. Egyptians today look intermediate just as they did in dynastic period. The efforts of afrocentrists and white supremascists to claim them only reveals there own biases. Dude, the last thing I ws attempting to prove with my post was race. I even said Egyptians were a mix of coastal and tropical African phenotypes, both types being distinct from each other. I haven't tried to claim anything, I was just pointing out a common cultural object shared by nearly all Africans from different regions. That race baiter Berter brought race into the fray in order to change the topic. It seems as though every thread I post or start the whole f*ckin topic ends up being a debate about Afrocentrists trying to claim this and that, that shit is getting very tiring. I pont out a common cultural object such as headrests and paranoid people in here think I'm claiming Egypt, what a bunch of morons.
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