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Post by Faelcind on Jan 8, 2005 2:45:25 GMT -5
Its true you did mention they were mixed good for you. Your title for this thread was not a good choice however. You also walked into about 2 week long headed debate on the racial position of northern africans, so sorry if it seems people over reacted to your post.
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Post by Abubakari on Jan 8, 2005 3:37:16 GMT -5
Its true you did mention they were mixed good for you. Your title for this thread was not a good choice however. You also walked into about 2 week long headed debate on the racial position of northern africans, so sorry if it seems people over reacted to your post. It was a good title, why is it bad to suggest that Egypt was links with other Africans? Ancient Egypt was indeed an African civilization. As for the 2 week long debate, I stand by my info I posted. Unlike people here who cut and paste links from Coon, I actually go to libraries and order book from amazon.com to get a feel for more than one opinion. Most people on this board have a stupid obsession with Afrocentrists and Nordicists as if everyone in the world walks around defining themselves as such. I stad by my information and I don't apologize for what i posted in THIS thread. if people want to be paranoid and make ad-hominems and starwman arguments thats their problem.
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Post by Faelcind on Jan 8, 2005 3:56:13 GMT -5
if people want to be paranoid and make ad-hominems and starwman arguments thats their problem. Your acting rather paranoid yourself taking offense to a comment that was not directly aimed at you. The problem with the thread title is that everone none Egypt is in africa so stating that implies another meaning. That may not have been how you intended it and perhaps people misinterpreted you. If so it does you know good to get irrate about it yourself, just explain what you are trying to say in different terms and be aware that dispite our best efforts everone brings some prior bias to ever argument.
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Post by Knight on Jan 8, 2005 6:55:29 GMT -5
You are NOT very bright. if people want to be paranoid and make ad-hominems and starwman arguments thats their problem. Umm, whatever. I was just trying to clarify the meaning of your post. I wasn't getting paranoid or anything. Honestly though, it really seemed you were trying to claim ancient Egypt for black Africans. If you weren't, I fail to see any point to your post besides pointing out that they had headrests. The title WAS very misleading.
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Post by Melnorme on Jan 8, 2005 8:04:55 GMT -5
BS, Sumerians were a mix of races as was Egypt. Ancient Egyptian culture isn't associated with race. Culture in America has contributions from ALL races, not just one. Berber culture isn't associated with a race since Tuaregs are Berbers and are not 'pure'. OT : a bit about Sumeria - www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temple/9845/sumer.htm
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Post by Abubakari on Jan 8, 2005 8:25:55 GMT -5
Umm, whatever. I was just trying to clarify the meaning of your post. I wasn't getting paranoid or anything. Honestly though, it really seemed you were trying to claim ancient Egypt for black Africans. If you weren't, I fail to see any point to your post besides pointing out that they had headrests. The title WAS very misleading. I said Egypt was an African civilization, where do you get the impression that I was claiming Egypt for 'black African'? There is no suck thing as 'black African' culture because Africans are all culturally diverse, nor can you biologically lump certain regions together as 'Black African'. Terms like that are outdated and have little use. The title wasn't misleading, I was demonstrating a particular shared cultural item thats found in every region in Africa, save for the Northwest. Its foolish to assume that ancient Egypt had little in common with the rest of Africa.
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Post by LibLabDog on Jan 8, 2005 13:34:34 GMT -5
Egypt definitely evokes some major questions about what race this ancient civilization was. ...The statues leave tantalizing clues. But they also leave many questions. We should post this pic on the "Racial Classifications" and see what people come up with. ...I have to say, this statue's features look very European. (...I mean, just look at the skin pigmentation. ) But there are undeniably East African features as well. Perhaps more so. (Maybe the two are very similar in many respects.)
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Post by Berter on Jan 8, 2005 16:21:56 GMT -5
What ever, race and culture are NOT always the same and if i were refering to race moron why did I post headrests for? Your real target is the race of the AEs. You proceeded similarly in your thread about stone age northwest africans, You wanted to prove that they were partly black to draw the same conclusion about their modern descendants. If these old headrests predate the 1st egyptian dynasties, then your black africans were there before the times of the Great Egyptian Works, and thus there is a chance for them to have contributed to AE's civilisation.
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Post by Berter on Jan 8, 2005 16:54:02 GMT -5
BS, Sumerians were a mix of races as was Egypt. Thats why I used the adjective homogenous in my 1st post; A heterogeneous culture has always a dominant part to which it is possible to associate a race. I associate it with the race of what you call the coastal north africans. Whites are dominant in America and are behind every thing ... Tuaregs are berbers only linguistically; are north indians pure aryens !?
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Post by Abubakari on Jan 8, 2005 17:00:46 GMT -5
Thats why I used the adjective homogenous in my 1st post; A heterogeneous culture has always a dominant part to which it is possible to associate a race. Arab, you haven't proven that blacks in Egypt contributed less or nothing, its pure speculation and baiting, thats what you're doing. race had nothing to do with the accomplishments on those in AE, the fact that they were of mixed race debunks those that say anything mixed with Negroid is inferior.
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Post by Human on Jan 8, 2005 17:05:54 GMT -5
between africa, asia, and is also close to europe, and considering the fact that North Africa has a predominant caucasoid population, and also that sudan, nubia, ethiopia are not that far away, I would guess that ancient egyptians were mostly mixed, with a tendency to caucasoidism, and not excluding maybe full dark coloured people...
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Post by Abubakari on Jan 8, 2005 17:06:17 GMT -5
Your real target is the race of the AEs. Whatever arab, my point wasn't race, it was culture and ancient was culturally African, that was my point, quit baiting for bullshit. Wrong you Arab, my point was totally about Stone Age Northwest Africans, who were NOT white and were sub-Saharan influenced, you're the idiot that said that Negroids never lived above the Sahara. i debunked that bs. The oldest surviving examples are found in AE you Arab, and predynatic Upper egyptians were blacks you idiot, and they more than amply contributed to AE civilization, you haven't proven otherwise so quit trolling.
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Post by Berter on Jan 8, 2005 17:07:52 GMT -5
Upper Egypt was originally southern Egypt. This is where the first Pharoh (Narmer) came from. He united southern and northern Egypt. Upper Egypt isnt exactely Southern Egypt. Southern Egypt included Nubia which were black land. The real AEs lived in the Upper and Lower Lands as shown by this map :
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Post by Abubakari on Jan 8, 2005 17:08:21 GMT -5
between africa, asia, and is also close to europe, and considering the fact that North Africa has a predominant caucasoid population, and also that sudan, nubia, ethiopia are not that far away, I would guess that ancient egyptians were mostly mixed, with a tendency to caucasoidism, and not excluding maybe full dark coloured people... Northern and southern Egyptians were distinct period and the tendencies go either way depending on where you are.
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Post by Abubakari on Jan 8, 2005 17:10:46 GMT -5
Upper Egypt isnt exactely Southern Egypt. Southern Egypt included Nubia which were black land. The real AEs lived in the Upper and Lower Lands as shown by this map : Wrong idiot, upper egypt in ancient times was at the first cataract, MODERN Egyptian includes parts of ancient Nubia. The remains found at Hierankopolis, Naqada and badri are Negroid and are well located in Upper egypt
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