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Post by murphee on Apr 19, 2004 12:24:05 GMT -5
Twenty years ago, I had a friend who had a Black father and a White mother. His appearance was that of a Black man with skin on the light side. He told me that when he was a child, he found it very hard. He said that the Black children didn't accept him and neither did the Whites. He had a charismatic personality and was a talented musician.
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Post by buddyrydell on Apr 19, 2004 13:03:58 GMT -5
I've also known a couple half-black half-white people. The majority tend to identify with their black side more, but you can clearly tell they're mixed. Sometimes they tend to look Puerto Rican or Cuban, as many of them are also of mixed backgrounds. One guy in particular had some problems with identity, similar to the guy who knew. He felt that he didn't fit in with either whites or blacks, which must be very difficult.
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Post by Charlie Bass on Apr 19, 2004 14:44:34 GMT -5
Thanks for your view from a Black perspective. I've noticed it too, how when a Black man is often successful and wealthy, he often marries a White woman. When I see successful Black men with Black women, I think, "Good for them. It looks like they have pride in their race." I've never understood how some people think Black women look 'masculine.' Often, they are curvier and more feminine-looking than White women. They just don't look White, which is where maybe the assessment of 'masculine' comes from by those who are not attracted to Black women. I have a real issue with this. For every Russell Simmons who marries outside of his race there are many Denzel Washingtons, Samuel Jacksons, and others. I think the whole idea that successful black men often marry outside their race is a misleading, since it mostly focuses on celebrities and not those successful black men who are not well known in the public eye. There are literally millions of successful men who marry within their race and these are in the majority. I have no problem with anyone dating or marrying outside of their race.
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Post by Afro on Apr 19, 2004 15:05:25 GMT -5
I've also known a couple half-black half-white people. The majority tend to identify with their black side more, but you can clearly tell they're mixed. Sometimes they tend to look Puerto Rican or Cuban, as many of them are also of mixed backgrounds. One guy in particular had some problems with identity, similar to the guy who knew. He felt that he didn't fit in with either whites or blacks, which must be very difficult.
Hmm, well I have known ALOT of mixed white/black folks in my life (A matter of fact, growing up, only a few of the people in my crew were "real" blacks), most of them pretty much related exclusively to there black side (And what was odd about this is that some of them were raised by there all white moms and all white step dads). I didn't hold anything against them, but I could never consider then as black as me seeing as how they didn't even know there black relatives.
Most of them would just refer to themselves as "light skinned" or "mixed", hardly ever would they come out and say "half white" around other blacks.
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Post by nobody you know on Apr 19, 2004 17:46:24 GMT -5
yuh i've come across a couple mixed race people who are very racist towards whites actually, and had a real go at me when i in fact pointed out that they were half white!
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Post by murphee on Apr 20, 2004 12:22:06 GMT -5
Charlie Bass, you are right. It is the celebrities of which I speak.
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Post by Said Mohammad on Apr 21, 2004 4:24:10 GMT -5
I have a real issue with this. For every Russell Simmons who marries outside of his race there are many Denzel Washingtons, Samuel Jacksons, and others. I think the whole idea that successful black men often marry outside their race is a misleading, since it mostly focuses on celebrities and not those successful black men who are not well known in the public eye. There are literally millions of successful men who marry within their race and these are in the majority. I have no problem with anyone dating or marrying outside of their race. Kimora Lee Simmons, Russell Simmons's wife, is of mixed race herself, black and Japanese. She considers herself as African-American, despite her appearance.
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Post by sticazzi on Apr 27, 2004 18:57:20 GMT -5
Being Mixed race (half Black Jamaican-half White English), I guess it's normal for me to be totally open about interracial-dating/marriage, and I guess I probably make subconcious effort to get on with people of different cultures & ethnicities (Most of my friends are of different ethnic & religious backgrounds - From the top of my head some of the ethnicities I've got on really well with are Caribbeans/Somalis/Arabs/Indians/Pakistanis/Afghans/Chinese/British Whites/Europeans/Mixed race, and yeah Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims, Jews, Christians, Atheists I get on well with). I don't think my case is special though, most Londoners I know have a mixture of Black/White/Asian/Mixed friends.
In the UK, Black-Carribean/White marriages is very high! (more higher amongst Black men, but still pretty high amongst Black women), about half of all 'Black' Carribean children have a white parent. Race mixing is very common here.
Afro: I've always wondered that too, me being Mixed race, you'd probably think people like me celebrate everytime another famous Black guy marries someone White. - Well I don't, although maybe that's just because it's so common here (amongst normal Blacks in everday society) ;D. What bothers me is the way they leave the urban 'world' behind, and move into upper-class society but that's a class thing, and maybe I'm just jealous like anyone would be lol.
Fact is, though, these succesful Black peple you mention, most probably started off life in a mostly Non-White (or just Black) society, once they became actors or whatever, they move into a completely different society, along with all the other celebrities, and guess what most of these people are not Black. And they can't just say to the folks in Hollywood, "I'm just gonna go back to my crib in South Central and hang with the Brothers, call me later so we can discuss the script for that next Matrix movie".
I always thought Tiger Woods would marry someone white. This is how I saw it, he's a golfer, most golfers are white, golf is arguably a 'white mans sport', he's bound to have a lot of white friends! Looking more deeply, he seems pretty concious & proud of his ethnic mix (Cau-bla-in-asian), I think he's about 1/4 Black, and I'm pretty sure he'd be a little offended if someone just called him Black. Tiger's practically Heinz 57, but he's less Caucasian than anything else (think he's 1/8 White), so maybe he wanted his children to have an equally proud mix - Marrying someone (pure) Black or Asian, would make his children 1/16 White, which is neglible. I don't know if he thought about it that deeply. Maybe he should've went for a Guyanese or Surinamese woman (they're about as mixed as they come) ;D.
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Post by Graeme on Apr 28, 2004 7:28:40 GMT -5
What has not been mentioned is that it is more common for successful dark black man to have a very light skinned black woman as a mate. It is like they go for whiteness in black women which must be equally as bad as successful black men taking white mates.
It is probably because I am Australian that I think all blacks in the USA are coloured, that is mixed caucasian/negroid. I find it hard to get the big deal about so called biracial people. Personally I do not like belonging to groups of any kind, but in life I have had to join certain groups because most people make you. I was born in Malta, but have lived in many countries though mostly in Australia and I have had to be Maltese whether I wanted to or not. My childhood was spent in multi ethnic suburbs where you had to belong to some nationality or ethnic group. I hated that. Sub racially I am some sort of pallid skinned Mediterranean, but due to my education and childhood environment, I am an Anglo-Saxon. I have never been attracted to or been in love with a Mediterranean woman; all have been Anglo-Saxons. I can imagine that there must be lots of people like me who are racially or ethnically one thing and mentally another. In my case it is not queried, as in the multi ethnic and cultural Australia of today, that is what most people take me to be: Anglo-Saxon. I have no handups about that.
I have never been attracted to non caucasians. Specifically the darker the skin the less attractive a person is to me. I also find the facial features of mongolians and most non caucasian races unaesthetic. As for interracial dating, marriage or mating I disapprove on aesthetic grounds mainly, but I do not like seeing grey headed 50s white men with 20-30s non white women. The men look like losers and the women users. It is interesting that it is older white men who partake of interracial affairs in Australia. I don't know any mixed race or non caucasian people.
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Post by Goebbels1488 on May 9, 2004 15:57:42 GMT -5
Modern Racial Mixing = The extinction of the modern races. I am somewhat against meta-ethnicity mixing as well. If you are multi-national already then you would belong with one that is also a mutt. Same nationality with same. Although that is hard to go by so that is why I say somewhat.
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Post by austinite on May 12, 2004 21:27:59 GMT -5
here's to mutts! hip hip hooray!! The world is getting muttier by the day...
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Post by JD1227 on May 14, 2004 6:03:27 GMT -5
I grew up in a heavily Asian influenced family but I have no qualms with WM/AF pairings. When I see a mixed couple of that type, I think to myself they must be open minded. My older sister is engaged to a WM and I say, good for her. IMO, the traditions in an asian family are far too strict. By "selling-out", I think there's this benefit of teaching the two sides to open up more. I also think it's helping my parents becoming less racist.
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Post by Afro on May 14, 2004 16:48:24 GMT -5
I grew up in a heavily Asian influenced family but I have no qualms with WM/AF pairings. When I see a mixed couple of that type, I think to myself they must be open minded. My older sister is engaged to a WM and I say, good for her. IMO, the traditions in an asian family are far too strict. By "selling-out", I think there's this benefit of teaching the two sides to open up more. I also think it's helping my parents becoming less racist. How would you feel if your sister was involved in a relationship with a black dude??? Would you still be as open minded and laid back about it???
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Post by executiona9 on May 15, 2004 9:14:56 GMT -5
here some interracial relation numbers for the USA regarding white people : white women : 95,9 % is married to a white man 0,6 % to a black man 0,4 % to an asian man 2,7 % to an hispanic man white men : 95,9 % is married to a white woman 0,2 % to a black woman 0,8 % to an asian man 2,6 % to a hispanic man source : www.umich.edu/~newsinfo/Releases/2000/Mar00/harris.docfrom : www.umich.edu/~newsinfo/Releases/2000/Mar00/r032300a.htmlso if white people are marrying outside their ``race``/culture they are most likely to marry a hispanic person (accounts for both white men and white women)
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Post by Graeme on May 15, 2004 11:00:28 GMT -5
Have you thought that a lot of those Hispanics are actually caucasian, spanish speakers and not mixed race, spanish speakers. Americans have a hard time understanding that caucasians can and do speak Spanish and are from South and Central America. So the figure for white men and women marrying whites is probably about 98%.
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