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Post by galvez on Dec 13, 2003 22:57:31 GMT -5
Racism against Whites is a topic liberals don't talk much about. However, there is a lot of racism against Whites -- sure, in the industrialized countries which are predominantly European (or European descended) Whites dominate, but unfortunately White success is often seen as necessarily a result of exploitation. Some intellectuals seem to think that the wealth of one person is created from the poverty of another -- this is false. Some people are just very resourceful and have an ability to create wealth from nothing.
Moreover, in South Africa and Rhodesia Whites have been getting ethnically cleansed and farmers and their families have been murdered, tortured and raped, and very little of this is mentioned by the mainstream media -- instead, they talk about the Laci Peterson case or the latest controversy surrounding Michael Jackson.
So, this thread provides an opportunity to discuss racism against Whites -- or racism in general.
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Post by rusalka on Dec 13, 2003 23:29:55 GMT -5
I will write about something a little different. Having been raised in a country where the only black population have arrived in the mid-90s; and then these Africans being only a "novelty" among the native population I have been truly unaware of such a white-black or black-white opposition that was still going on. I came to the US quite recently; and when I was living back home, and when my friends, who were living in the US, say things like "damn blacks" or similar; I remember getting very reactional about it all. To me it sounded very outdated and irrelevant.
Until I moved to NYC. The first thing I realized was that the majority of the black population had nothing to do with the African people I've encountered in Europe (but then, most of them were at the UN). The black "culture" in the US is unbeliavably kitsch and tasteless. What I really don't understand is the way the promote ignorance as a value of their "afro" culture. I've had a classmate who was a really smart and artistic kid who had complained about his "brothers" who were giving him a hard time whenever he used a 3 syllable word, calling him a "white" or "cracker ass". I really have difficulty understanding how all women being "bitches" and all guys being "pimps" and gangsters can be cool and glorified. I have serious problems with the dominant hip-hop culture that is also spreading to other ethnic groups other than blacks.
Anyway here are some other issues I've come across with and have difficulty comprehending:
- Anyone living in the US must have seen those magazines being sold, called "Sistas", "Black Hair", "Black women" etc. I remember seeing one the cover of those magazines a sub-title: "How to work under a white woman" . Personally, I cannot imagine the Cosmopolitan having a similar cover with "If your boss is a black woman". I cannot imagine a "white woman's magazine" either. They'd probably be bashed by both blacks and liberal whites. How so?
When I had inquired the professor in one my "contemporary culture" seminars the whole class was all over me. They claimed that "because the blacks have been opressed for 200 hundred years and were still being opressed I could not talk about racial discrimination coming from them". Oh yeah? Well, why? Racism is racism, how does that justify the act? It wasn't me who filled them into ships and sold them to slavery. It wasn't THEM, personally to which it happened. How can it be still made an issue AND how can they blame me just because I'm white? Why do I have to put up with all the specialty for "blacks" and cannot have a "white culture" magazine, for example.
I have some other personal experience to talk about, but for now I'll finish this particular message and write them seperately as it is getting way too long. What does everyone think about all this? I totally agree with the fact that because I was raised in a country where there is no white vs. black issue, I cannot fully understand the dynamics behind all this, but I think a LOT of people in the US are just being way too politically correct and try to undo the history by giving in too much.
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Post by alex221166 on Dec 14, 2003 0:56:00 GMT -5
What does everyone think about all this? I am tired of apologising for things that I didn't do and to have to give money to people that spit in our faces while they demand (not ask) our money.
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Post by Necronomicom on Dec 14, 2003 1:07:58 GMT -5
there is a lot of BS imposed by our society that does not allow whites to by proud of themselves while black pride is encouraged, there are black power music in the mainstream, black pride magazines, black celebrities always talk about black pride in the media, black conscience week, black pride clothes, and now the lazy muds want afirmative action for blacks and brown who are already the majority of our population. the real minority here (whites) are not allowed to be proud of their race. blacks always blame all their problems in whites, when in fact they are the ones who make their own lives miserable. i also hate the fact that the few major nonwhites characters in the Brazilian soap operas (novelas) ALWAYS get involved with a white person, i don't remember the last time a non-white character had a relationship with one of his own in the TV series, Brazilian MTV is also puching it to the limits with their praising of non-white culture. i hate the TELEVITZ!!!
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Post by AWAR on Dec 14, 2003 1:20:43 GMT -5
The path you described here is just going to lead to painful conflicts. Interracial tension is rising because of political correctness.
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Post by geirr on Dec 19, 2003 10:12:31 GMT -5
I think this is a rather self indulgent thread. I'm sick of hearing that the whites in southern africa are ignored, If you follow the issue of Zimbabwe then you will know that Robert Mugabe is trying to liquidate the opposition both TEXT and TEXT. There are whites getting kicked off their farms, raped and murdered, but you don't seem to acknowledge that the blacks working on those farms as well as those opposing Mugabe are also being terrorised and murdered. Most of the white farmers rightly oppose Mugabe and a large number of blacks also oppose him too. Most media is banned from going to Zimbabwe, The BBC sneeked into the country to capture footage of food queues at supermarkets where both black and white people were waiting patiently in line and also how the government is handing out food aid to government supporters and letting opposition supporters and there families starve. The Mugabe thugs are mainly veterans from the Rhodesian war who still harbour a grudge against the whites, they are Mugabe's 'storm troopers' infact Mugabe has modelled what he is doing from what Hitler did, He has stated in speeches that he he sees himself as a black Hitler. Have you seen his moustach? Its not about how the media ignore whites because the truth is they don't. there is plenty of footage of whites getting kicked off their farms,beaten and terrorised and humiliated, why do you think the BBC was banned from Zimbabwe in the first place? Its just that few people these days want an in depth analysis of a story, rather they go for the 2d simplistic version of blacks vs whites or primitive backward blacks running amuck. its easier to understand and sell. I should also add that I don't watch MTV, I hate rap and all that gangstar eminem rap shite and the televitz( god I love that word) I do watch is not all politically correct anti white propoganda. Its up to the individual( thats you ) to open your eyes and ears and think for yourself, don't let government, media or nazi supremacists or anyone else for that matter tell you what to think. Racism against Whites is a topic liberals don't talk much about. However, there is a lot of racism against Whites -- sure, in the industrialized countries which are predominantly European (or European descended) Whites dominate, but unfortunately White success is often seen as necessarily a result of exploitation. Some intellectuals seem to think that the wealth of one person is created from the poverty of another -- this is false. Some people are just very resourceful and have an ability to create wealth from nothing. Moreover, in South Africa and Rhodesia Whites have been getting ethnically cleansed and farmers and their families have been murdered, tortured and raped, and very little of this is mentioned by the mainstream media -- instead, they talk about the Laci Peterson case or the latest controversy surrounding Michael Jackson. So, this thread provides an opportunity to discuss racism against Whites -- or racism in general.
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Post by geirr on Dec 19, 2003 10:17:11 GMT -5
first paragragh - BLACK and WHITE
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Post by galvez on Dec 19, 2003 18:50:10 GMT -5
I think this is a rather self indulgent thread. I'm sick of hearing that the whites in southern africa are ignored, If you follow the issue of Zimbabwe then you will know that Robert Mugabe is trying to liquidate the opposition both TEXT and TEXT. There are whites getting kicked off their farms, raped and murdered, but you don't seem to acknowledge that the blacks working on those farms as well as those opposing Mugabe are also being terrorised and murdered. The issue here is not mere terrorism and brutality, it is terrorism and brutality with an ethnic or a racial element. If we were to focus on terrorism and brutality of all kinds, we would be posting endlessly about the September 11 attacks. However, this being a racial forum, and with racial tensions given intense focus by the media -- particularly alleged cases of racism and discrimination -- it shouldn't be much of a surprise that the ethnic cleansing of Whites in Rhodesia and, to an extent, South Africa will be discussed. I tend to think -- and I am sure a lot of people would agree with me -- that if it were Whites raping and taking land away from Blacks, that more coverage, at least in the United States (where there is a near-blackout), would take place. Perhaps things are a little different in the UK since many White settlers in Africa have roots in the UK, but in the U.S. there is almost zero coverage. Like I said, I am not sure how much this is covered in Britain, but it's not only about the extent of coverage but also the way in which the story is covered. The media tends to sympathize with Blacks even when it's not justified, due to its prejudices. There is no "objective" media. Care to prove that Mugabe's henchmen are war "veterans?" It seems a number of his soldiers are young thugs calling themselves "veterans." Here in America there is near-ZERO coverage. I don't know about Britain but I'd think America, with its leverage in international affairs and its supposed concern for human rights, would be able to put a stop to the ethnic cleaning of Whites in Zimbabwe in one form or another (perhaps through intense sanctions and covert military operations) if it wanted to. However, in conflicts where Whites are involved against Blacks, invariably the media will take the side of the Blacks or -- at least in America -- will suppress the news.
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Post by rusalka on Dec 19, 2003 18:56:20 GMT -5
Here in America there is ZERO coverage. I don't know about Britain but I'd think America, with its leverage in international affairs and its supposed concern for human rights, would be able to put a stop to the ethnic cleaning of Whites in Zimbabwe in one form or another (perhaps through intense sanctions and covert military operations) if it wanted to. However, in conflicts where Whites are involved against Blacks, invariably the media will take the side of the Blacks or -- at least in America -- will suppress the news. I agree with the fact that there is ZERO coverage about any of that here in the US. I haven't even come across the news until I read them here, and I DO watch the news. The "Liberals" are usually the ones that are interested in anything other than the US here (at least from what I can tell based on people I've met) in America; and they have an unbearable guilt complex when it comes to anything to do with Blacks. The Black community can get really nasty about calling everything you do or say "racist" at ease, and once you're called that, there's not much a person can do to regain respect from most circles, especially if they're a politician or a public figure, that's something everyone would avoid.
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Post by ramsharma on Dec 21, 2003 19:58:27 GMT -5
Alrighty, let's not judge Afroamerican culture from a Eurocentric perspective. As an avid fan or Hiphop culture, it really irks me when ignoramuses like Bill O' Reilly claim how Rap is a menace to society, and how it is promoting violence, hedonism and the like so as to make it the norm in America. Rap just gives back what it gives back to the poor, the oppressed and the downtrodden. When blacks refer to someone as a "pimp"(as in, "What's up my pimp?"), it means "friend", not a pimp as someone who whores women for easy bucks. Similarly, when a black person refers to a chic as a 'ho, (for instance, "my 'ho has been cheating on me"), it means "my girl", or "my wife". It is of course a crude word, but by no means is it demeaning to the extreme.
Another thing is, you guys need to realize that the Civil Rights Act was passed only 40 years ago. We're not talking about a milennia, or heck even a century, so naturally blacks are going to be on the look out for regression back to the racist cultural practices back in the days in America. Who knows, it might happen, as it seems like Nazis are fluorishing once again judging from some people's comments in the forums lately(this is just an off-hand comment..not pointing fingers, mind you).
So people, give black people a break. When hundreds of years of racism has been going on against them, it's natural that they might say something negative about White folks. But still, racism shouldn't be condoned, no matter who the perpetrators are, BUT blacks I think FEAR rise of the neo-nazis and other such racist cults.
Certainly, there are double standards when it comes to racial issues, but when a White fellow is being racist, one remembers all happenings of the past, and he will be judged differently than a Black guy who's being racist. It's how American culture is..I don't think anything should be done about it.
Also, it is sad that Whites are being targeted in Africa(it's true about Indians too), but again, can someone think of a reason why??? Of course this shouldn't be happening, no doubt, but I'm curious why they're being targeted. Was there something wrong done to Africans in the past? Someone think of a reason why..I'll be waiting.
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Post by Melnorme on Dec 21, 2003 20:06:54 GMT -5
I don't think it's too much to ask of ANY ethnic minority in a Western country to act like civilized ( by Western standards ) human beings. Shape up or slip out.
And sorry, but the 'hundreds of years of racism' excuse is just lame.
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Post by ramsharma on Dec 21, 2003 20:11:25 GMT -5
It's easy for someone who hasn't walked the walk to judge others, but if you're not black, you don't really know what they've gone through. As simple as that. And it's not lame, it's not fiction, blacks were enslaved, and now we supposedly have equality.
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Post by AWAR on Dec 21, 2003 20:12:29 GMT -5
The point is that there is a HYSTERIC anti-racist propaganda going on, and it's targeted only against whites.
By Hysteric, I mean that it's being done in a bad way, a way that will lull the blacks to never ever grow up from their present all encompassing adolescent view of life.
The way that whites are being opressed into accepting blacks not as equals, but as a superior race will only spawn more whites who resent such attitude.
There are billions of whites who have had absolutely nothing to do with black slavery. In fact, some entire nations never enslaved anyone, so, I don't see why some European or Asian white should feel guilty about blacks being enslaved in the USA.
In fact, there are Blacks who should feel guilty for selling their brethren to Portuguese and Arab slavers who then sold them to Americans.
If whites are not to be racist at all, then no other group has the right to be racist.
Political correctness has done absolutely everything to make white males feel bad about themselves. This was a defeat for white males, and from such defeats arises new determination and strength, unfortunately, this determination and strength will prove to be very destructive when it meets with it's opponents.
Political Correctness has made the gap between races and genders much deeper than it ever was.
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Post by ramsharma on Dec 21, 2003 20:19:04 GMT -5
I don't think pretexts like, "There are many whites who had nothing to do with slavery" is valid, because first and foremost, there is no effective way of tracing who the culprits were, and secondly, someone has to be held responsible for past wrongdoings. Also, it's not ONLY about slavery my friend. Blacks were, only 50-60 years ago, not seen as equals to whites. Who did this? The society, correct? The Eurocentric society, correct? So, it seems to me that it's the society that has to make amends for what blacks went through. You can't just let everything slide. 40 years is not a milennium. This was happening RECENTLY.
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Post by AWAR on Dec 21, 2003 20:26:15 GMT -5
It's easy for someone who hasn't walked the walk to judge others, but if you're not black, you don't really know what they've gone through. As simple as that. And it's not lame, it's not fiction, blacks were enslaved, and now we supposedly have equality. And, you're Black? Yeah, right. There are many European nations who were enslaved by other Europeans, or non-European invaders, but somehow they don't feel that EVERYONE MUST feel sorry for them. We can only have equality when everyone agrees to act to a certain set of standards prescribed for the peace and greater good of all. Drive-by's, hoes, crack and other sorts of violent behaviour do not fit into any society, at least no society that plans to survive. I don't hate anyone, so, it should be my right to live in a world where no one is encouraged/tolerated to hate me. If blacks are encouraged/tolerated to hate non-blacks because of some historical injustice done upon them, then the only thing you can expect from intelligent non-blacks is to arm themselves for a pre-emptive strike. I'm not a racist, but I'd sure as hell do something if my family was endangered because of some race-related conflict.
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