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Post by Leader of the Barbarian Juns on Jan 30, 2006 11:37:38 GMT -5
Aznar warns of \"risk of disintegration of Spain\" Former PP prime minister Jose Maria Aznar said that \"Spain runs the serious risk of disintegration\" due to proposed changes in the several regional statutes of autonomy. In an interview with a Portuguese magazine, Aznar said, \"In the best-case scenario, we would have a less-important Spain, which would become a non-nation, a confederation of territories, some with more privileges than others. Therefore, Spain\'s very existence is in danger.\" www.spainherald.com/2653.html |
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Post by fm0210 on Jan 30, 2006 14:26:20 GMT -5
I wish so, it would be more realistic.
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Post by Toasty on Jan 31, 2006 1:05:36 GMT -5
No more Spain? That's said to hear. What do the spaniards have to say abou this??
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Post by eufrenio on Jan 31, 2006 4:27:49 GMT -5
Spain ceased to be a nation in 1978, when the present constitution was adopted. It was only a question of time before all of this happened.
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Post by Josh on Jan 31, 2006 4:36:18 GMT -5
Spain ceased to be a nation in 1978, when the present constitution was adopted. It was only a question of time before all of this happened. In what way did it cease to be a nation? How did the new constitution destroy Spain's nationhood? |
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Post by eufrenio on Jan 31, 2006 4:41:27 GMT -5
Spain ceased to be a nation in 1978, when the present constitution was adopted. It was only a question of time before all of this happened. In what way did it cease to be a nation? How did the new constitution destroy Spain's nationhood? It established a semi-federal system for the different regions. With some of them (Catalogne, Basque Country) granted more powers and political autonomy than the rest. Also, the proportional electoral system makes sure that for instance a local political party in Catalogne with 200 000 votes has a lot of leverage on national politics. |
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Post by Josh on Jan 31, 2006 4:46:01 GMT -5
In what way did it cease to be a nation? How did the new constitution destroy Spain's nationhood? It established a semi-federal system for the different regions. With some of them (Catalogne, Basque Country) granted more powers and political autonomy than the rest. Also, the proportional electoral system makes sure that for instance a local political party in Catalogne with 200 000 votes has a lot of leverage on national politics. So basically, it discouraged unity in favor of regionalism? So now, do Spaniards identify with their region before their country (like Catalan first, Spanish second) while it was the reverse previously? |
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Post by eufrenio on Jan 31, 2006 5:06:35 GMT -5
Regionalism or partial self-rule is not a problem in itself. What led to the present situation is the inequality between the different regions. Catalogne for instance was given much more local competences than Castille, on the grounds that Catalogne is a "historical autonomy". Hell, Castille used to be a kingdom when Catalogne was no more than a duchy!
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Post by Josh on Jan 31, 2006 5:09:40 GMT -5
Which region are you from? How has the system affected you, positively or negatively? I hope I'm not asking too many questions, I'm just trying to learn a little about Spain as seen through the eyes of a native Spaniard.
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Post by eufrenio on Jan 31, 2006 5:16:41 GMT -5
I´m from Castille. Well, this used to be Castille, but now it´s the "Madrid autonomous region" which is an absurdity. They artificially split up Castille in three (Castilla La Mancha/Castilla -León/ Madrid) to placate the Catalans in 1978, who didn´t want to be overshadowed by their old rival. Still, this lone province, Madrid, cut off from the rest of Castille, is still richer and more developed than Catalogne.If they want to play third rate nation on their own I won´t miss those traitors.
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Post by fm0210 on Jan 31, 2006 7:41:07 GMT -5
Catalonia was also artificially split up by Castilians and by French.
Catalunya Nord (Perpignan, France), Valencia (Spain), Balear Islands (Spain) and the Catalan speaking territories of Aragon and Murcia.
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Post by eufrenio on Jan 31, 2006 7:48:55 GMT -5
I´ve never heard of Catalan being spoken in Murcia!
To return to the main topic, I think Catalans want to become independent and at the same time still wield political influence over Spain and keep it as a protected market for their products, as it has always being. They play the victims while secretly having imperialistic aspirations over Spain.They´re so pathetic in their greed, pettiness and provincialism! LOL!
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Post by fm0210 on Jan 31, 2006 7:55:11 GMT -5
It's a very small piece of Murcia  |
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Post by fm0210 on Jan 31, 2006 8:00:31 GMT -5
>They´re so pathetic in their greed, pettiness and provincialism!
If you don't like them, why do you want them to belong Spain?
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Post by eufrenio on Jan 31, 2006 8:19:45 GMT -5
>They´re so pathetic in their greed, pettiness and provincialism! If you don't like them, why do you want them to belong Spain? I don´t. Catalonia can go to hell for all I care. But keep your hands from Valencia, Baleares and Murcia, you imperialistic mice! LOL! The Mouse that Roared imdb.com/title/tt0053084/ |
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