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Post by fm0210 on Jan 31, 2006 8:53:57 GMT -5
Castilians are impericalitic, not Catalan, that's why they won't let other regions go; anyway, do you really think Catalonia can be independent? there are more than 3 millions of Andalucians, Extremaduran, etc. in Catalonia; most of them are working class and vote PSC party which is Spanish; and now many South American and North African immigrations; Catalonia is a pluri-cultural region.
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Post by eufrenio on Jan 31, 2006 9:10:40 GMT -5
As I said, deep-down, Catalans don´t want independence: they just want to keep their dirty blackmail of Spain until the end of times. They´re like a wayward adolescent who threatens his parents with leaving home but never does the better to milk them.
Catalans have it so good in Spain that they will never leave.They want to milk the State dry and also their entire economy revolves around having Spain as a captive market. Without Spain, Catalonia is about as irrelevant as Andorre.
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Post by ndrthl on Jan 31, 2006 9:28:34 GMT -5
As I said, deep-down, Catalans don´t want independence: they just want to keep their dirty blackmail of Spain until the end of times. They´re like a wayward adolescent who threatens his parents with leaving home but never does the better to milk them. Catalans have it so good in Spain that they will never leave.They want to milk the State dry and also their entire economy revolves around having Spain as a captive market. Without Spain, Catalonia is about as irrelevant as Andorre. What about the basques (& ETA)? |
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Post by eufrenio on Jan 31, 2006 9:35:01 GMT -5
Well, The PNV and other "Moderate" Basque independentists are very much like Catalan Nationalists in this respect. They want to be free to do what they want inside Spain and with Spanish money. Pure parasitism.
The ETA is a different business altogether: they really mean it, and at the same time they are communists, so they want to turn the Basque Country into Cambodia.
Basques, whether secessionist or not, are scared of this prospect, but won´t say it. ETA and Batasuna share the politics of PoL Pot. Not much of a future here.
LOL!
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Post by fm0210 on Jan 31, 2006 10:41:29 GMT -5
>Without Spain, Catalonia is about as irrelevant as Andorre.
and without Madrid, Spain would be a doughnut
>Catalans don´t want independence
As I said many Catalans want independence and non Catalans in Catalonia don't want.
>having Spain as a captive market
Complain about yourself, be more competitive and sell in Catalonia.
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Post by Educate Me on Jan 31, 2006 13:34:01 GMT -5
Would turning Spain into something like Switzerland, with the different "cantones" work? would the catalans and basques be happy with that?
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Post by eufrenio on Feb 1, 2006 9:29:18 GMT -5
No, a Swiss model only works in Switzerland.
And no, nationalist will never be happy, no matter what they get. Give them independence, and they´d be begging for Navarre and Valencia next.
They´re born whiners.
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Post by fm0210 on Feb 1, 2006 16:06:03 GMT -5
Will you stop begging for Gibraltar?
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Post by hooligan on Feb 1, 2006 18:10:00 GMT -5
I'm from Castilian stock, my father was born in Avila but our casa solar is in Cantabria, to hell with Cataluna. Spain has always been a nation of small nations, our pola\pueblo, province and then Spain. The Catalans have always been crybaby's, they would rather be French than be a part of Spain. Viva Castilla !
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Post by olympian on Feb 2, 2006 22:09:30 GMT -5
viva la revoluzion ;D
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Post by eufrenio on Feb 3, 2006 4:21:51 GMT -5
Kupfer, what makes you think those who vote PSC are less nationalistic? Maragall is in bed with Esquerra (independentists). Third generation inmigrants from other parts of Spain usually try to out-catalan the Catalans.
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Post by eufrenio on Feb 3, 2006 4:24:41 GMT -5
And Kupfer, Catalonia was never competitive in the first place: that´s why they´ve always needed Spain´s protectionist market.
And still they complain about Spain whereas they would never have achieved anything without us!
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Post by fm0210 on Feb 3, 2006 6:17:42 GMT -5
>Kupfer, what makes you think those who vote PSC are less nationalistic? Maragall is in bed with >Esquerra (independentists).
Maragall tries to represent all Catalans, is it better PP's policy, ignoring that independentists exist?
>Catalonia was never competitive in the first place: that´s why they´ve always needed Spain´s >protectionist market.
You are partially right, because Castilians braked Catalan business too (for example, when Catalans couldn't make business with the new world); and what about the cultural matter? you never had any respect.
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Post by eufrenio on Feb 3, 2006 6:31:05 GMT -5
Respect is something you earn.
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Post by fm0210 on Feb 3, 2006 14:09:48 GMT -5
Respect is something you earn. "Intolerance itself is a form of egoism, and to condemn egoism intolerantly is to share it." |
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