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Post by visigodo on Dec 31, 2004 1:13:37 GMT -5
Hola,
I am from Spain also born in Barcelona, but came to the U.S. when I was a small boy. I have family in Cataluna, and Valencia. I go when ever I can but I have also noticed, the change in the population especially around Las Ramblas, its all Marroquís, and Sudakas, (que apestan) and I have to listen to my relatives complain about the insurgency of crime also going up. An how dangerous it is walking around there at night. I have to agree with you. Spain is changing, for the worse. Now I fear the PSOE is going to make things worse, by making it easier for people to stay. JODER!
Visca Catalunya!
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Post by Quintos on Dec 31, 2004 1:21:01 GMT -5
Hola, I am from Spain also born in Barcelona, but came to the U.S. when I was a small boy. I have family in Cataluna, and Valencia. I go when ever I can but I have also noticed, the change in the population especially around Las Ramblas, its all Marroquís, and Sudakas, (que apestan) and I have to listen to my relatives complain about the insurgency of crime also going up. An how dangerous it is walking around there at night. I have to agree with you. Spain is changing, for the worse. Now I fear the PSOE is going to make things worse, by making it easier for people to stay. JODER! Visca Catalunya! I also came to US when I was around six years old im from Madrid. PSOE is garbage we already recieving 600,000 immigrants a year and yet PSOE want to allow MORE!! immigrants into Spain by letting them in if they have a promise of work the government is garbage. Are you the same Visigodo that posts on Stormfront.org?
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Post by visigodo on Dec 31, 2004 1:30:25 GMT -5
No, I think he's from somewhere else in Spain I don’t think he’s Catalan. I read some of his posts though, and spoke to him on occasion. But I'm a different guy. Madrid, is the first city I see when I arrive in Spain, in the summers. I’m horrified to see all those Sudakas at the terminal when I arrive.
Those guys are too pissed off for me over there. ;D ;D But I do hold some of their beliefs.
I'm just sad to see Spain change so drastically. Watch out though, lots of idiots here who think they know about Spain, and its ethnicities.
Hasta Luego
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Post by Quintos on Dec 31, 2004 2:01:28 GMT -5
I went to Spain this summer I was surprised by the amount of immigrants in Spain especially Madrid I like the North more now the immigrants haven't reached it yet but Madrid is just a pain to walk around cause their so many god d**** immigrants every where. So you get to go to Spain every summer?
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Post by visigodo on Dec 31, 2004 2:25:22 GMT -5
Hi Quintos,
Yeah I try to go every summer. Couldn’t go this year, but I try not to miss, Los Sanfermines. I love Spain. I love all its people from the Gallegos, to the Valencianos to even los Vascos. Everyone, even people from Andalucia, although they are more rude there. (don’t know why?) Maybe its my Catalan accent they don’t like. I also like the north, especially Navarra. (Very friendly especially around June 6th) If you haven’t had a chance to go a las fiestas you got to go.
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Post by visigodo on Dec 31, 2004 2:26:42 GMT -5
Opps that's July 6th almost forgot...... ;D ;D
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Post by nordicyouth on Dec 31, 2004 14:34:54 GMT -5
I also am unhappy with the goings-on in Spain. I've been to Barcelona twice, and find it unnerving to walk the streets at night. Nothing but Morrocans fighting violently with one another (I saw a standoff with chains, etc.) and sub-Saharan prostitutes. An Englishwoman living in Barcelona to host pubcrawls explained that Morrocan standoffs can last for hours with participants taking 'turns' to attack one another. Apparently, the police are hard pressed to solve these occurrences and some of them result in one or more deaths. An El Salvadoran guy who was with me on a pubcrawl was later attacked outside a club by Africans. And of course, Barcelona is known to be the theft capital of Europe. I'm fairly certain this development has little to do with native Spaniards. E.g. in Germany, immigrants (non-White) are responsible for 50% of the crime that occurs. So 1 out of every 2 criminals is German - but that's the way it should be! These non-White immigrants have the highest per capita predilection for crime in Europe. Germans were worried about a flood of Poles? They should be more concerned that the country is not renamed Neue Turkei.
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Post by Quintos on Jan 2, 2005 2:27:04 GMT -5
Their are several points that show the blatant harm which mass immigration brings to Europe. First of all almost all of Europe has a birthrate among its native population below 2.0 which means that more people are dieng then being born 2.0 I believe is the replacement level. In countries like Spain and Italy the brith rates are extremely low only around 1.20 the immigrants on the otherhand have exploding brithrates.Spain last year took in 600,000 immigrants which can rival the amount immigrants the US took in considering Spain is much smaller and yes much more fragile then the US it is simple impossible for the country to absorb these many immigrants the immigrants also increase crime, take away jobs etc. etc. The ecenomy may benefit slightly from their cheap labor but I believe that in end the cost for policing and putting these immigrants in jail and giving them food as well as all the social benefits they get means that the government is bending over backwards and forgetting about the needs of the natives. Those are just some social and ecenomic problems not to mention that it will destroy the culture and traditions of the country if left unchecked. Im not sure wether or not I favor 0% immigration but their is no way that what their doing right now is sane it is in fact suicidal I mean whats the purpose of having diferent countries and borders never less cultures and languages if your going to let thousands if not millions of immigrants in which well render those borders meaningless. I do not want a Spain like LA I don't want my culture,traditions and people to disappear I don't like Tupac I don't RAP HIP HOP MTV and Mc Donalds. Any ways the story is pretty much the same through out Europe. Im not racist but I can see that the government of Europe is not doing a good enough job of keeping immigrants out and often such governments as the PSOE in Spain actually invite more immigrants in byt the year 2100 their will be no majority white nation left on the planet.
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Post by fatman213 on Jan 5, 2005 4:46:01 GMT -5
Europeans have raped, pillaged and plundered EVERY corner of the globe. Thus, why SHOULDN'T non whites now emmigrate to Europe?
Just look at the 10s of millions of Euros that have settled all over the globe.
Having said that, I could frankly give a RATS ASS about Europes demography.
fatman213
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Post by fatman213 on Jan 5, 2005 4:47:42 GMT -5
Btw, I might add the fact that Euros have below replacement BIRTH RATES means immigration to Europe will NOT slow any time soon.
Get used to it whitey ;D
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Post by Josh on Jan 5, 2005 4:56:36 GMT -5
Europeans have raped, pillaged and plundered EVERY corner of the globe. Thus, why SHOULDN'T non whites now emmigrate to Europe? Just look at the 10s of millions of Euros that have settled all over the globe. Having said that, I could frankly give a RATS ASS about Europes demography. fatman213 Even if the "revenge explanation" justified mass immigration, what about countries that are receiving heavy immigration that never practiced colonialism like Sweden and Ireland?
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Post by fatman213 on Jan 5, 2005 5:04:08 GMT -5
Seems to me the answer is; BIRTH RATES However, its true that Japan is facing an even more dire demographic situation than Europe. That is; below replacement birth rates coupled with an ever aging population. But the Japanese seem to think they can deal with this through AUTOMATION, not immigration. In fact, the official policy of Japan is discourage immigration in order to maintain "racial homogenuity". Below is a clip from the NY Times btw www.spaceship-earth.org/Letters/Editor/Japan_Needs_but_Resists_Immigration.htmI suppose the Euros could follow a similiar route to deal with their "demographic time bomb". Though frankly, I doubt they will. In the end, I really do NOT care what happens in Europe anyway. But, just musing. fatman213
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Post by tatc on Jan 12, 2005 1:42:58 GMT -5
Accordingly to the Chicagopost 20% av the europeans will be muslims by the year 2050, if the ongoing imigration does not halt.
Not counting all other non-white peaple that will inhabit europe, the prospect is kind of scarry.
But europeans are getting more and more negative to the ongoing imigration. All over europe nationalist and imigration-critic parties pop up like mushrooms.
Dansk folkparti (denmark), sannfinländarna (finland), Lijst pim forteyn (netherlands), Front National (france), Jörg Haiders party and so on. They are all in the top governing body of their respective countries. So I think that many of the non-white imigrants in Europe will within a near future be sent back, and conflicts between native europeans and non-white europeans, such as in the netherlands, will become something quit common.
In my own country there where a pole that showed half the population negative towards multiculturism, and in another 75% of the population thought that there where a lot of anti-islamism in Sweden.
Sweden has the second highest number of imigrants per 100 000 inhabitans in the EU. Out of 9 million about 12% are born outside of sweden, and even more inside but with one or more parents born outside of sweden. Many off these are white in origin, but I think more than half are non-white or racemixed.
And even in sweden a nationalist party is gaining influense and suport. Thou its not represented in the riksdag.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Jan 16, 2005 3:59:22 GMT -5
And even in sweden a nationalist party is gaining influense and suport. Thou its not represented in the riksdag. What party would that be? Last time we had a nationalistic non-racist party in the Riksdag was in the early 1990's and they turned out to be such clowns who couldn't do much that they were not voted for again in the next election. The biggest non-racist (that's what they claim although plenty of them have racist backgrounds) nationalistic party in Sweden today is Sverigedemokraterna (Sweden democrats) and they continute to get around 1-1.5% of the votes (4% is the minimum to be allowed into the Riksdag). The openly racist parties don't even get that many votes. Even if Sverigedemokraterna (SD) break the 4%-limit they still won't be big enough for the bigger parties to work with. Dansk Folkeparti in Denmark got enough votes for the bigger parties to have to cooperate with them. I think Sweden should close the borders and send back those who don't have a Swedish citizenship and then encourage those who remain here to have more kids. This mainly out of economic reasons but also because many immigrants have shown little or no desire to adapt and assimilate to the Swedish culture and are therefore no part of Swedish society. These immigrants also make up for a lot of the violent crimes. This 'f*ck Sweden'-behaviour casts a shadow on immigrants (like myself) who have adapted and consider Sweden our home and who wish to contribute to society by working, paying taxes and simly being law-abiding. Swedes in general aren't racist. Scandinavians in general aren't racist. There's a big difference between being racist and wanting to stop immigration because it has caused a lot of trouble and because the immigrants don't wish to assimilate. I have yet to hear Swedes wanting to ban legal immigration of non-Scandinavians/non-whites. I believe multi-ethnic societies can work just fine, but there needs to be a common culture and common values that are shared by the majority of the members of said society. For example, plenty of people from the Middle East who are Muslims have no wish to allow their daughters to live like Swedish girls. No freedom, no participating in certain classes in school (gymnastics, swimming lessons, information on sex, women's rights), no working outside the households, no boyfriends, no getting to chose their future spouse etc. This creates friction between the Swedes (and immigrants who've adapted) and the immigrants who think their backwards culture is better (I ask myself many times, if they don't like the Swedish way of life, then why not go back to where they came from?). I think the reason why so few Swedes vote for the nationalistic parties is because they consider them racist. SD has worked hard to wash away the racist label their party has, but it's still difficult to not think about their previous demands to expel all non-white immigrants who've arrived in Sweden since 1970 or the ban on adoption of non-European children which is appalling to Swedes in general. They have changed these two bits of the party agenda, but the label is still there. I also think nationalistic parties need to be more realistic. You can't really expect to expel all non-white immigrants who lived here all their lives and who in many cases have befriended or married Swedes. This would also include expelling all kids adopted from outside of Europe. Yeah right, like any parent or relative of the adopted children would accept that. The most realistic approach would be to send back those who have no citizenship and close the borders for anyone but those who immigrate legally. Many Swedes have called Dansk Folkeparti in Denmark racist, but these people need to look up the word 'racism' in a dictionary. It's not exactly like DP wants to prohibit ethnic Danes from marrying non-Danes or sterilize every immigrant in the nation. Well, that's just my two cents.
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Post by nockwasright on Jan 16, 2005 7:52:01 GMT -5
Fatman: Europeans spread in the the rest of the world as conquerors who forced the locals to accept them. They could do it becouse they belonged to a superior civilization. The result was the spreading of this superior civilization. Immigrants are coming to USA and EU as beggars, and they only rely on their hosts' compassion and sense of guilt to be accepted, surely not on their merits or strenght. The result is the spreading of a lower civilization. Annunaki: can you name a multi ethnic society, past or present, where the "multi-ethnicity" was an asset and not a problem?
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