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Post by Igu on Jul 11, 2005 15:21:17 GMT -5
Do not look at the details, it's a rough depictation:  |
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Post by Crimson Guard on Jul 11, 2005 15:56:22 GMT -5
I like the little effect airplane...lol
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kmt
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Post by kmt on Jul 11, 2005 17:41:33 GMT -5
Afro-asiatic started in Ethiopia, spread to north africa and the middle east. Nilo-saharan moved north later and cut a wedge between norh africa and Ethiopia. What is so hard to understand about that? No airplane needed.
Afro-asiatic began in Ethiopia, that means the holy books of the major religions (Christianity, Islam), of the west were originally written in languages that are African in origin. The concept of monotheism began in Egypt, a creation of Akhenaton.
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Post by Ponto Hardbottle on Jul 11, 2005 23:30:05 GMT -5
That is the theory by Greenberg. I personally think Greenbergian ideas are shite. Semitic languages had their genesis in West Asia. The other languages had their genesis where they are found, Egyptian in Egypt, Chadic in the Lake Chad area, Cushic in NE Africa. The only anomaly is the Semitic languages of Ethiopia. What you say is the homeland of Greenbergian languages I say is an anomaly like a pocket of German speakers in a sea of Slavic speakers or in the case of Sorbs and Wends, slavic speakers in a sea of Germanic speakers.
The only thing you said that was true was about Akhenaten, and look what happened to him. The stuff about Holy books is pure shite. I suppose you think Kemet means black people not the black lands of the Nile compared to the red sand of the Sahara.
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Post by topdog on Jul 12, 2005 3:32:14 GMT -5
That is the theory by Greenberg. I personally think Greenbergian ideas are shite. Semitic languages had their genesis in West Asia. The other languages had their genesis where they are found, Egyptian in Egypt, Chadic in the Lake Chad area, Cushic in NE Africa. The only anomaly is the Semitic languages of Ethiopia. What you say is the homeland of Greenbergian languages I say is an anomaly like a pocket of German speakers in a sea of Slavic speakers or in the case of Sorbs and Wends, slavic speakers in a sea of Germanic speakers. The only thing you said that was true was about Akhenaten, and look what happened to him. The stuff about Holy books is pure shite. I suppose you think Kemet means black people not the black lands of the Nile compared to the red sand of the Sahara. For someone who considers himself to be more qualified, you sure know nothing about linguistics. |
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Post by Ponto Hardbottle on Jul 12, 2005 5:23:32 GMT -5
Linguistics is not science, and does not interest me. Linguists spend most of their time fighting each other's theories anyway. Where is the homeland of Proto IE? Greenberg is no God just some man who ate, slept and died. There is one thing I do know: I know more about linguistics than you. All you know is the people who agree with your beliefs. Cite one linguist who doesn't accept Greenberg's African genesis of Semitic. There are many. All you know is boring Greenberg and Ehret.
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Post by topdog on Jul 12, 2005 5:56:00 GMT -5
Linguistics is not science, and does not interest me. Linguists spend most of their time fighting each other's theories anyway. Where is the homeland of Proto IE? Greenberg is no God just some man who ate, slept and died. There is one thing I do know: I know more about linguistics than you. All you know is the people who agree with your beliefs. Cite one linguist who doesn't accept Greenberg's African genesis of Semitic. There are many. All you know is boring Greenberg and Ehret. Why don't you cite evidence for everything that you say? Chadic languages arose in Chad right? Please cite the linguist and his paper that confirms this. |
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Post by s.f on Jul 12, 2005 8:02:48 GMT -5
Care for an explanation Igu? I don’t really get it. BTW I don’t think they speak Afro-Asiatic in Uganda, Kenya or south Sudan.
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Post by Ponto Hardbottle on Jul 12, 2005 9:23:25 GMT -5
The origins of languages have nothing to do with where they happen to be spoken. Only linguists like Greenberg would make such a facile assumption. I said Lake Chad, which is the past was much bigger. Chadic is a language group and has little to do with some colonial country created in the 20th century. I forgot, you are one of those black Americans who think you are Hausa or is it Kanuri. I don't care about your fantasies. Chadic is one of those tonal languages like Omotic and Cushitic. Egyptian, Berber and Semitic languages are not tonal. It is Greenberg who included Chadic for his own reasons. Others do not agree. It would be fair to include them instead of you lambasting all of us with Greenberg as some sort of superbrain of linguistics. I don't accept his hypotheses on the origins of his named language group and his reasons which are facile. Besides your Gods Greenberg and Ehret there are Leo Reinisch, Harold Fleming, Paul Newman, Lionel Bender, Vladimir Orel, Olga Stolbova, Alexander Militarey and many other linguists with quite different opinions to Greenberg. Your bigotry only allows those who agree with your Negroid Africa made the world scenario.
As I said previously, linguistics is not science no matter how scientific some try to make it. With Proto IE there are numerous homelands and opinions. They can't all be right, actually they have more chance of all being wrong. Same with the Greenbergian paradigm.
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Post by Igu on Jul 12, 2005 11:11:38 GMT -5
Care for an explanation Igu? I don’t really get it. BTW I don’t think they speak Afro-Asiatic in Uganda, Kenya or south Sudan. The obvious senario is that Afrasian was introduced from the middle east, not nubia as CongoCentrists claim. Also, people claim that badarians (who spoke a nilo-saharan language) were the producers of the Egyptian civilization of Afro-Asiatic language. As for the big mistakes in my depictation, I said not to look at the details ;D |
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Post by Igu on Jul 12, 2005 11:13:51 GMT -5
Afro-asiatic started in Ethiopia, spread to north africa and the middle east. Nilo-saharan moved north later and cut a wedge between norh africa and Ethiopia. What is so hard to understand about that? No airplane needed. Afro-asiatic began in Ethiopia, that means the holy books of the major religions (Christianity, Islam), of the west were originally written in languages that are African in origin. The concept of monotheism began in Egypt, a creation of Akhenaton. That is incorrect, first to inhabit upper Egypt were nilotes, and then they were replaced by afrasian speakers, not the other way round (as you try to say.). |
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Post by Baladi on Jul 12, 2005 11:20:53 GMT -5
Where did you come up with the conclusion that Badarian people spoke Nilo-Saharan or that they were replaced by Afri-Asian speakers. The Naqada culture shows no cultural or archaeological breakage from the Badarian stage. There was no invasion or replacement in the Nile Valley.
We have no idea what language the pre-dyanstic Egyptians spoke.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Jul 12, 2005 11:29:11 GMT -5
Yes, there is no evidence to suggest that the Badarians spoke a Nilo-Saharan language.
Maybe they spoke a derivative of Meroitic, but we don't even know about the affinities of that language yet.
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Post by Igu on Jul 12, 2005 11:32:43 GMT -5
Yes, there is no evidence to suggest that the Badarians spoke a Nilo-Saharan language. Maybe they spoke a derivative of Meroitic, but we don't even know about the affinities of that language yet. Yes, and those Afrasian invaders might have been nordic, I might be a girl posting as a male, every thing possible in life. |
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Jul 12, 2005 11:35:03 GMT -5
Right.
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