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Post by greatness on Dec 23, 2005 12:55:22 GMT -5
greatness Iran might be strict religiously, but as a country, I don't think it's backward. I think Iran is no worse than Turkey (open country), and probably more industrial. I wonder why did the conservatives gain so much power back then? did the people support the change at the beginning? Well the strongest and most modern buildings are the ones left over from the Reza Shah era, if u consider that modern and and not backward then I guess so. (note I am not supporting that loser Shah, but he did more for the country then these Mullah idiots). But Turkey is far more open than Iran. Iran could be light years ahead of where it is now, but the Mullahs clamp down on anything outside their beliefs. Every day more and more intellectuals and great thinkers, who could benefit Iran, are leaving the country because they can. Now that is backward to me. And forcing women to wear head scarves seems pretty barbaric to me! Your right in saying that it isn't backward in the 3rd world, starving to death, wartorn sense. But I dont hold Iran to those standards, Iran still has a long way to go before it can be termed progressive.
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Post by syriano on Dec 23, 2005 14:09:03 GMT -5
Iran vs Turkey
GDP: $516.7 billion (2004 est.)/ $508.7 billion (2004 est.)
GDP - real growth rate: 6.3% (2004 est.)/ 8.2% (2004 est.)
GDP - per capita: $7,700 (2004 est.) / $7,400 (2004 est.)
GDP - composition by sector: agriculture: 11.2% agriculture: 11.7% industry: 40.9% industry: 29.8% services: 48.7% (2004 est.) services: 58.5% (2003 est.)
Unemployment rate: 11.2% (2004 est.) 9.3% (plus underemployment of 4.0%) (2004 est.)
Public debt: 27% of GDP (2004 est.) 74.3% of GDP (2004 est.)
I think Iran sent a satalite some time ago...
anyways I am not saying Iran is better than Turkey.. Turkey has the upper hand and has much more foreign support, but Iran isn't really as backword as some people make it to be...
I don't understand why Iran is so strict though if the people don't want to
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Post by Siafu X on Dec 23, 2005 16:41:36 GMT -5
Israel cant use Nuclear Veapons withouth being impacted given the short geographical distance separing it from Iran. If Israel starts the agressions and only classical veaponry were allowed, Iranians will win; All it will takes is huge waves of persian soldiers and ... time. lol not really the waves will be cut down by the superior weaponery the biasd USA provided for Israel
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Post by amonamarth on Dec 24, 2005 4:45:41 GMT -5
well i think israel is the devil, and i dont think other countries would be so harmfull for example Iran. everyone knows that israel wants to destroy the islamic or arabian countries its whats she intents but she will never say that in public ok , isnt israel the one that is killing pelastanians everyday, so america doesnt count that as terrorism or violence, and israel still can have nu clear bombs. ooh, everyone should see things the way united states does. Would the mods ban this troll? Or is it perfectly alright to utter filth like this? i think its ok. cause others are also calling mullas idiots and shah loser and whatever else. so i dont think your pissed of anything?!
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Post by amonamarth on Dec 24, 2005 5:14:05 GMT -5
greatness Iran might be strict religiously, but as a country, I don't think it's backward. I think Iran is no worse than Turkey (open country), and probably more industrial. I wonder why did the conservatives gain so much power back then? did the people support the change at the beginning? Well the strongest and most modern buildings are the ones left over from the Reza Shah era, if u consider that modern and and not backward then I guess so. (note I am not supporting that loser Shah, but he did more for the country then these Mullah idiots). But Turkey is far more open than Iran. Iran could be light years ahead of where it is now, but the Mullahs clamp down on anything outside their beliefs. Every day more and more intellectuals and great thinkers, who could benefit Iran, are leaving the country because they can. Now that is backward to me. And forcing women to wear head scarves seems pretty barbaric to me! Your right in saying that it isn't backward in the 3rd world, starving to death, wartorn sense. But I dont hold Iran to those standards, Iran still has a long way to go before it can be termed progressive. first of all ,what do you mean exactlly by more open? i dont think you mean having night clubs and bars and girls around not covered up,cause this would be so lame if you define this as more open, every muslim country logically should obey the rules of islam at least. i mean other countries such as non islamic ones or even some islamic ones dont have limits for things and they are living freely and thats ok for them, so i think other countries have the right to have their own values and rules in their lives. i dont think iran has a problem if you compare it to saudi arabia. in saudi, women are not allowed to drive, in iran women are allowed. women in s.a are whole covered up mostly, in iran they are more moderated. there is no cinemas in s.a, in iran there is. in iran a women can walk freely in streets, in saudi they cannot. and people in iran are so open minded i guess,unlike in s.a. i have posted pics in the thread called iranian boys and girls and actually if we are talking about islamic rules, they are not even following it correctly. and about saudi arabia, she is trying to follow the islamic rules as a muslim country, but maybe only she is way too strict. [/img] [/img]
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Post by nymos on Dec 24, 2005 11:31:07 GMT -5
Would the mods ban this troll? Or is it perfectly alright to utter filth like this? i think its ok. cause others are also calling mullas idiots and shah loser and whatever else. so i dont think your pissed of anything?! You think it's ok? Well I don't. 1. I don't care what others have said, even if they did say it. 2. Calling a single person an idiot is not analogous to what you've said. 3. By your logic, can I call you a stinking pile of human excrement from now on?
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Post by greatness on Dec 24, 2005 14:38:29 GMT -5
first of all ,what do you mean exactlly by more open? i dont think you mean having night clubs and bars and girls around not covered up,cause this would be so lame if you define this as more open, every muslim country logically should obey the rules of islam at least. i mean other countries such as non islamic ones or even some islamic ones dont have limits for things and they are living freely and thats ok for them, so i think other countries have the right to have their own values and rules in their lives. i dont think iran has a problem if you compare it to saudi arabia. in saudi, women are not allowed to drive, in iran women are allowed. women in s.a are whole covered up mostly, in iran they are more moderated. there is no cinemas in s.a, in iran there is. in iran a women can walk freely in streets, in saudi they cannot. and people in iran are so open minded i guess,unlike in s.a. i have posted pics in the thread called iranian boys and girls and actually if we are talking about islamic rules, they are not even following it correctly. and about saudi arabia, she is trying to follow the islamic rules as a muslim country, but maybe only she is way too strict. [/img] [/img][/quote] LOL, all these muslims that have never been to Iran come here saying crap about how good life is in Iran. Common, ISLAMIC LAW IS STUPID AND BACKWARD, no way IRan should follow it. Does the US follow CHristian Law, no, but if Bush is coming dangerously close to and if he does Im moving to Canada. Islamic Law is dumb. Law's hould be based on pragmatism not some book some guy wrote 1400 years ago. For example Drinking should be allowed. Now if a muslim doesn't want to drink, so be it, let him not drink, it is all personal choice. Also women have to wear headscarves which is stupid, scares away tourists, and makes us look like Morons. Wearing a headscarf should be a PERSONAL choice, NOT by LAW. Like I said, I dont compare Iran to Saudi Arabia or Turkey, I hold it to a higher standard. With that logic you could say Saudi Arabia has more freedom then Iraq under Saddam Hussein so Saudi Arabia is perfectly fine, makes dipshit sense. Same with Iran and Saudi Arabia. Bottom line. Once Iran gets a strong non-Islamic, secular government, then I'll be satisfied.
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Post by syriano on Dec 24, 2005 15:09:14 GMT -5
you got my point wrong Captain America I am not saying Iran is not backword because of their conservative ways, but because of own efforts without much forein help
my other point was, why is Iran so strict if the people don't want to be? I mean in Saudi they mostly don't mind this system so that's why it "works", but why in Iran? no Arab country comes even close to Iran with conservatism except Saudi Arabia. Even in Saudi Arabia, I doubt they'd be happy about the increase power of Shiia, so they wont actually stand behind the regime (I am sure you know this)...
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Post by greatness on Dec 24, 2005 20:00:23 GMT -5
you got my point wrong Captain America I am not saying Iran is not backword because of their conservative ways, but because of own efforts without much forein help my other point was, why is Iran so strict if the people don't want to be? I mean in Saudi they mostly don't mind this system so that's why it "works", but why in Iran? no Arab country comes even close to Iran with conservatism except Saudi Arabia. Even in Saudi Arabia, I doubt they'd be happy about the increase power of Shiia, so they wont actually stand behind the regime (I am sure you know this)... Captain America, lol, you mean Captain Achaemenid But if you really understood Iran you would know, THE PEOPLE HAVE NO REAL POWER. Sure they have elections but those are a joke, the religious council decides who can and cannot run. Therefore u get losers running. Even reform candidates like Khatami was, are powerless, they dont do anything to make Iran less conservative. Therefore many people get tired and will vote either for anyone or boycott the election all together. Also, even if they do elect a liberal guy, the Supreme council and the Supreme leader, Ayatollah Khoemini holds all the real power, so he dictates the policy. Also only descendants of the prophet hold real power. Shia Islam says only Sayyids (male-lineage descendants of the prophet) can dictate religion. And only descendants of the prophet have control (which is ridiculous in Iran, a non-Arab nation). No they are not a starving 3rd world nation. In fact Iran is one of the safest nations in the ME. But it is socially backwards. And yes they are backwards because of their Islamic conservatism. Look, Europe used to be very backwards and violent when they were religious during the dark ages. The middle east was a center of learning. As religion gave way to the Renaissance in Europe they progressed, as the ME became even more radical muslims they backwardized. Bottom line, religion is a personal thing. If u mix it with the gov't, you risk driving ur nation backwards.
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Post by amonamarth on Dec 29, 2005 16:45:04 GMT -5
You think it's ok? Well I don't. 1. I don't care what others have said, even if they did say it. 2. Calling a single person an idiot is not analogous to what you've said. 3. By your logic, can I call you a stinking pile of human excrement from now on? [/quote\
and you can shut the f*ck up
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Post by amonamarth on Dec 29, 2005 17:00:15 GMT -5
first of all ,what do you mean exactlly by more open? i dont think you mean having night clubs and bars and girls around not covered up,cause this would be so lame if you define this as more open, every muslim country logically should obey the rules of islam at least. i mean other countries such as non islamic ones or even some islamic ones dont have limits for things and they are living freely and thats ok for them, so i think other countries have the right to have their own values and rules in their lives. i dont think iran has a problem if you compare it to saudi arabia. in saudi, women are not allowed to drive, in iran women are allowed. women in s.a are whole covered up mostly, in iran they are more moderated. there is no cinemas in s.a, in iran there is. in iran a women can walk freely in streets, in saudi they cannot. and people in iran are so open minded i guess,unlike in s.a. i have posted pics in the thread called iranian boys and girls and actually if we are talking about islamic rules, they are not even following it correctly. and about saudi arabia, she is trying to follow the islamic rules as a muslim country, but maybe only she is way too strict. [/img] [/img][/quote] LOL, all these muslims that have never been to Iran come here saying crap about how good life is in Iran. Common, ISLAMIC LAW IS STUPID AND BACKWARD, no way IRan should follow it. Does the US follow CHristian Law, no, but if Bush is coming dangerously close to and if he does Im moving to Canada. Islamic Law is dumb. Law's hould be based on pragmatism not some book some guy wrote 1400 years ago. For example Drinking should be allowed. Now if a muslim doesn't want to drink, so be it, let him not drink, it is all personal choice. Also women have to wear headscarves which is stupid, scares away tourists, and makes us look like Morons. Wearing a headscarf should be a PERSONAL choice, NOT by LAW. Like I said, I dont compare Iran to Saudi Arabia or Turkey, I hold it to a higher standard. With that logic you could say Saudi Arabia has more freedom then Iraq under Saddam Hussein so Saudi Arabia is perfectly fine, makes dipshit sense. Same with Iran and Saudi Arabia. Bottom line. Once Iran gets a strong non-Islamic, secular government, then I'll be satisfied.[/quote] any true muslim believer, would not accept the nonsence that you say. theres a holy book my dear friend that have rules. so no muslim would agree with you that drinking alcohol is ok..well, for you.. i dont know if you follow any religion!.. but the three main religions are brought by god and there must be followers. and there must be rules. if not then why are we on earth. this life is a test, and you know theres a judgment day that you'll be asked about all you have done in your life. i know thats your point of view, but i really feel sorry for you, cause you feel so confident with the information you know.
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Post by greatness on Dec 29, 2005 23:59:42 GMT -5
lol and u feel so confident in a book which was written by a desert nomad. How are u so sure that what it says is true.
And im not talking about religions, im talking about law. Religion and government do not mix, which is why I said we should be allowed, by law, not religion, to drink.
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Post by nymos on Dec 30, 2005 0:06:25 GMT -5
You think it's ok? Well I don't. 1. I don't care what others have said, even if they did say it. 2. Calling a single person an idiot is not analogous to what you've said. 3. By your logic, can I call you a stinking pile of human excrement from now on? [/quote\ and you can shut the f*ck up Nice! You've just reaffirmed my initial point that you're a troll and should be banned as such.
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Post by greatness on Dec 30, 2005 0:09:27 GMT -5
You think it's ok? Well I don't. 1. I don't care what others have said, even if they did say it. 2. Calling a single person an idiot is not analogous to what you've said. 3. By your logic, can I call you a stinking pile of human excrement from now on? [/quote\ and you can shut the f*ck up Nice! You've just reaffirmed my initial point that you're a troll and should be banned as such. yeah he is a troll, but ur sig is kool!
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Post by nymos on Dec 30, 2005 0:14:55 GMT -5
Nice! You've just reaffirmed my initial point that you're a troll and should be banned as such. yeah he is a troll, but ur sig is kool! 8-)Thanks! Should I add Cubans vs Persians into the mix?
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