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Post by psychosemitic on Dec 17, 2005 20:43:21 GMT -5
Israel cant use Nuclear Veapons withouth being impacted given the short geographical distance separing it from Iran. If Israel starts the agressions and only classical veaponry were allowed, Iranians will win; All it will takes is huge waves of persian soldiers and ... time. in your dreams, we fended off how many nations? ok then, either way we both know bush would love to find an excuse to fight another one of the axis of evil
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Post by amonamarth on Dec 18, 2005 13:43:13 GMT -5
too bad poor israelies are never going to have a country they really belong to.its a result for what they did.
they were punished by god and they are still damned for what they did to jesus christ.
i hope they never win, actually they wont ever win.
hitler did one good thing when he burned them.
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Post by Funky Kong on Dec 18, 2005 14:30:55 GMT -5
Stop it, you're hurting Yigal's feelings.
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Post by nymos on Dec 18, 2005 21:30:17 GMT -5
too bad poor israelies are never going to have a country they really belong to.its a result for what they did. they were punished by god and they are still damned for what they did to jesus christ. i hope they never win, actually they wont ever win. hitler did one good thing when he burned them. I suggest you delete or edit this.
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Post by dukeofpain on Dec 18, 2005 22:55:35 GMT -5
They won't. Iran has said publicly that if Israel bombs them i.e, an air strike against Irans nuclear reactor, that they will retaliate. Israel knows that Tehran has the ability to do considerable damage against the Jewish state, and for this reason I doubt Israel will risk it. Because it's not a question of whether Iran will retaliate, rather what the retaliation would entail.
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Post by dukeofpain on Dec 18, 2005 23:25:23 GMT -5
The USSR doesn't exist anymore. Regardless their military technology was not backwards. If anything it was even better than the US becuase of the fact that they kept things like reliability, cost, the ability to be mass produced, in mind when they designed the wapons. They could build 2 migs for every american fighter produced, which was just as dangerous an advesary.This is the formula that the soviets were known for. They also were known for novel yet brilliant tweakings. eg, sloping tank armor on their iconic t-34 tanks.
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Post by amonamarth on Dec 19, 2005 5:46:37 GMT -5
Stop it, you're hurting Yigal's feelings. i'm realy sorry i said this, i'm sorry yigal..but very annoying things been post, and my reaction came with anger.
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Post by ndrthl on Dec 19, 2005 9:36:27 GMT -5
service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,391199,00.html Israel worried The Israeli government has been comparatively quiet on the matter, triggering speculation that Israel's reticence is a sign that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is secretly planning a preventive attack against Iran. Israel has long been convinced that the mullah state is vigorously pursuing the development of nuclear weapons, and that it should just as vigorously be prevented from doing so. In an effort to heighten international condemnation of Iran's alleged nuclear program, Israel recently began using its intelligence sources to funnel information about Tehran's nuclear program to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in Vienna, even providing the agency's inspectors with images of suspicious nuclear facilities taken by Israeli surveillance satellites. Until recently Israel, a nuclear power but not an IAEA member, viewed IAEA head and Nobel Peace Prize winner Mohammed ElBaradei as being too soft on Tehran. In a reversal of its position, Jerusalem suddenly sees ElBaradei as being a potential ally. In a speech before the Israeli parliament, the Knesset, last Tuesday, Israeli general chief of staff Dan Hanuz warned that Iran will be capable of enriching enough weapons-grade uranium within the next three months to build state-of-the-art nuclear bombs. However, experts believe that Tehran still faces "significant obstacles" before it will be in a position to develop its first deployable nuclear weapon. Until now, Benjamin Netanyahu, Sharon's conservative opponent, has been the only major Israeli politician to publicly call for "considering a preventive military strike." The prime minister himself has not commented on any planned attacks, only going so far as to say last week that "Israel's military is in a position to prevent a second final solution." Worries are mounting about what exactly Iran might be capable of with Ahmadinejad as its leader. But an attack on Tehran's nuclear facilities would be highly risky. In 1981, Israeli fighter jets managed to set back then Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's nuclear ambitions by several years when, in a single bold strike, they destroyed the nuclear reactor at the Iraqis' Tuweitha research facility near Baghdad. A successful strike against at least a dozen targets would be necessary to achieve a similar effect in Iran. The administration in Tehran has spread its nuclear production throughout the entire country, placing key facilities in well-protected underground locations. Mordechai Kedar, Professor of Arab Studies at Ramat Gan, takes Tehran's rhetoric very seriously. He sees Ahmadinejad's provocations as the expression of a "nuclear theism" currently prevailing in Tehran. According to Kedar, an understanding of the concept of Welayat-e Fakih -- the supremacy of religious scholars -- is key to grasping the power of the mullahs. Under this concept, says Kedar, the power of a government of the devout is an expression of the will of God, making the regime "isma" -- infallible. Israel's concerns stem primarily from the conviction that the hate speech being spouted by the political leader of about 70 million Iranians is more than just talk. Many see Ahmadinejad's withdrawal of some 40 Iranian diplomats from various Western capitals -- diplomats he believed were too half-hearted when it came to his radical agenda -- as proof that he may act on his apparent convictions.
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Post by Yankel on Dec 19, 2005 14:34:35 GMT -5
Last I checked, Arik was in the hospital. The big guy just had a stroke. I doubt he's planning anything. Ehud Olmert is filling in.
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Post by DeLacroix on Dec 19, 2005 22:26:34 GMT -5
THIS IS FOR YOU IKILLEDJESUS
Con Coughlin, The Telegraph UK: Iran is secretly training Chechen rebels in sophisticated terror techniques to enable them to carry out more effective attacks against Russian forces, the Sunday Telegraph can reveal.
Teams of Chechen fighters are being trained at the Revolutionary Guards' Imam Ali training camp, located close to Tajrish Square in Teheran, according to Western intelligence reports.
In addition to receiving training in the latest terror techniques, the Chechen volunteers undergo ideological and political instruction by hardline Iranian mullahs at Qom.
The disclosure that Iran is training Chechen rebels will not go down well in Moscow, which regards itself as a close ally of the Iranian regime.
Russia has sided with Iran in the diplomatic stand-off over Teheran's controversial nuclear programme.
While the British and American governments have accused Iran of having a clandestine nuclear weapons programme, the Russians, who are building Iran's Bushehr nuclear power plant, back Teheran's claim that their nuclear intentions are solely peaceful.
Moscow has offered a face-saving formula to prevent Iran from being reported to the United Nations Security Council for its failure to co-operate fully with UN nuclear inspection teams.
Under the terms of the deal, the Russians would oversee Iran's nuclear enrichment activities to ensure that only partially enriched uranium, which is not of weapons grade, is produced.
At this weekend's meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna, America and Britain gave their qualified backing to the Russian proposal in the hope that it might resolve the crisis in the agency's dealings with Teheran.
But the Iranians are growing increasingly suspicious of Moscow's intentions, and it is for this reason that Western intelligence officials believe that Iran's hardline president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has sanctioned the training of Chechen fighters in Teheran.
"Just as they have orchestrated attacks against British troops in Basra to pressure Britain to drop its opposition to Iran's nuclear programme, so they are trying to put pressure on Moscow by backing Chechen fighters," said a senior intelligence official.
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Post by syriano on Dec 20, 2005 8:03:55 GMT -5
DeLacroix you highlighted the wrong parts
here let me try
Teheran 'secretly trains' Chechens to fight in Russia Con Coughlin (Filed: 27/11/2005)
Iran is secretly training Chechen rebels in sophisticated terror techniques to enable them to carry out more effective attacks against Russian forces, the Sunday Telegraph can reveal.
Teams of Chechen fighters are being trained at the Revolutionary Guards' Imam Ali training camp, located close to Tajrish Square in Teheran, according to Western intelligence reports.
In addition to receiving training in the latest terror techniques, the Chechen volunteers undergo ideological and political instruction by hardline Iranian mullahs at Qom.
The disclosure that Iran is training Chechen rebels will not go down well in Moscow, which regards itself as a close ally of the Iranian regime.
Russia has sided with Iran in the diplomatic stand-off over Teheran's controversial nuclear programme. Iran factfile
While the British and American governments have accused Iran of having a clandestine nuclear weapons programme, the Russians, who are building Iran's Bushehr nuclear power plant, back Teheran's claim that their nuclear intentions are solely peaceful.
Moscow has offered a face-saving formula to prevent Iran from being reported to the United Nations Security Council for its failure to co-operate fully with UN nuclear inspection teams.
Under the terms of the deal, the Russians would oversee Iran's nuclear enrichment activities to ensure that only partially enriched uranium, which is not of weapons grade, is produced.
At this weekend's meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna, America and Britain gave their qualified backing to the Russian proposal in the hope that it might resolve the crisis in the agency's dealings with Teheran.
But the Iranians are growing increasingly suspicious of Moscow's intentions, and it is for this reason that Western intelligence officials believe that Iran's hardline president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has sanctioned the training of Chechen fighters in Teheran.
"Just as they have orchestrated attacks against British troops in Basra to pressure Britain to drop its opposition to Iran's nuclear programme, so they are trying to put pressure on Moscow by backing Chechen fighters," said a senior intelligence official."
(what kind of logic is this? heh)
we all know how truthful these western intelligence officials are.
they can probably claim anything without having to show prof, because it's a "secret"
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Post by Yankel on Dec 20, 2005 15:10:49 GMT -5
That you're loath to believe anything negative about a Muslim country does not discredit reports from generally reliable intelligence sources. If this is about their track record, well, they're usually right.
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Post by DeLacroix on Dec 20, 2005 18:08:10 GMT -5
syrianoYour statement is like most statements made by most mohammedians, that is, the West is the great Satan, and thus, shouldn't be trusted. So according to your mohammedian logic, a country led by a hardcore islamist that threatens to wipe Israel off the map, can't train Chechenians terrorists to carry out attacks against Russia? That's really pitiful.
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Post by Ewig Berter on Dec 20, 2005 18:18:14 GMT -5
They won't. Iran has said publicly that if Israel bombs them i.e, an air strike against Irans nuclear reactor, that they will retaliate. Israel knows that Tehran has the ability to do considerable damage against the Jewish state, and for this reason I doubt Israel will risk it. Because it's not a question of whether Iran will retaliate, rather what the retaliation would entail. Exactely my points, ... and, AFAIK, you are not Mohammadian!?.
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Post by Ewig Berter on Dec 20, 2005 18:22:02 GMT -5
If anything it was even better than the US becuase of the fact that they kept things like reliability, cost, the ability to be mass produced, in mind when they designed the wapons. Those parameters you cited dont go hand in hand: high quality/reliable veapons have high costs and most of the time arent produced en mass.
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