Post by xxx on Apr 1, 2004 4:05:51 GMT -5
Dalonord, my words are most probably not going to sound as concealing as those of AWAR, but I'm willing to give you the 'benefit of the doubt'... damned it, I don't know if this makes any sense in English... I'll apply the legal principle of in dubio pro reo to you.
As you well say, there has been much propaganda put forth over the years espousing Nordic supremacy. In order to create all this propaganda, instead of resorting to glorifying the culture and the history of Nordic people, Nords (notice I won't use 'You Nords', as it would be my right and as I would usually do) have put all their efforts in all kind of false accusations, petty manipulation, etc, against other groups, and more in particular against the Meds.
The list is too long and has been going on for a very large period of time, years as you've said. The wounds are therefore too profound to heal them in a matter of days or with just a few nice conciliatory words.
After what I've said, I'm afraid that I find your words as a means to shun the real problem by diverting it.
I'll make myself more clear. There is a big, actually huge, problem between Mediterraneans and Nordics which has its roots and origins in how the Nordic folk have behaved with the Mediterraneans. While you may not share the blame as an individual, you do share it as a component of your particular group. Am I being unfair? I don't think so. This is an open war where there are no innocents.
You either belong to one side or to the opposing side. I'm not simply refering to a Med vs a Nord side. The sides stretch beyond subracial boundaries. You, and a limited number of Nords, are coming to realize that past and present deeds are probably harming your group more than ours... or that's how it will be in the long run. But from the start of this all you have not come out in the open opposing those who are actually commiting it, you have just sit and relax in a rather comfortable way. No matter how you might like to see it, your position has been a wink to it all.
We Meds have no responsibility in all of it. It doesn't have roots on us and it is therefore not us who should be fixing this wrong. And yet, it is us who have been dealing with it all this time. I understand that you, personally, do not wish to be taken as responsible for it, but I'm afraid that that is not possible. It is a stigma that you will have to bear with or to fix it if you can.
How it could be fixed is something I do not know and that I do not care about right now. All I can care about is to responding the attacks and try to return all damage multiplied. Not that I wish to do harm, but it is the only door left open to us.
This doesn't mean that I wouldn't like things to settle and stretching a friendly hand to Nords. While in the recent past that has been so, I now have reasons to wish things to settle. But you probably know that the things to be fixed are too many, much scattered and deeply rooted by now.
I can imagine how hard it is for you, but I can feel no pity for it and I can only forsee things to get even worse in the future. I cannot feel any pity because our battling is being much harder and exhausting than yours.
As I said, I concede there are a few amongst your people who may be different, most probably you are one of them. Even when I've had to withdraw my own words from similar statements I made, and concede that others were right (hello, Gálvez ). But while I can judge a few cases on an individual basis, I must not allow myself to stop considering all as one only and unified package.
And, by the way, I believe that your (yours or your group's) preservationist ideas are pointed into the wrong direction. You are directing all your efforts towards non significant individual cases instead of putting them on the real problem. But I'm biased here.
dalonord said:
Look, I realize that there has been much propaganda put forth over the years espousing Nordic surpremacy and frankly, I've never bought it.As you well say, there has been much propaganda put forth over the years espousing Nordic supremacy. In order to create all this propaganda, instead of resorting to glorifying the culture and the history of Nordic people, Nords (notice I won't use 'You Nords', as it would be my right and as I would usually do) have put all their efforts in all kind of false accusations, petty manipulation, etc, against other groups, and more in particular against the Meds.
The list is too long and has been going on for a very large period of time, years as you've said. The wounds are therefore too profound to heal them in a matter of days or with just a few nice conciliatory words.
My beef is with those who find it offensive that a partiular group wishes for self-preservation. What the hell is wrong with that?
After what I've said, I'm afraid that I find your words as a means to shun the real problem by diverting it.
I'll make myself more clear. There is a big, actually huge, problem between Mediterraneans and Nordics which has its roots and origins in how the Nordic folk have behaved with the Mediterraneans. While you may not share the blame as an individual, you do share it as a component of your particular group. Am I being unfair? I don't think so. This is an open war where there are no innocents.
You either belong to one side or to the opposing side. I'm not simply refering to a Med vs a Nord side. The sides stretch beyond subracial boundaries. You, and a limited number of Nords, are coming to realize that past and present deeds are probably harming your group more than ours... or that's how it will be in the long run. But from the start of this all you have not come out in the open opposing those who are actually commiting it, you have just sit and relax in a rather comfortable way. No matter how you might like to see it, your position has been a wink to it all.
We Meds have no responsibility in all of it. It doesn't have roots on us and it is therefore not us who should be fixing this wrong. And yet, it is us who have been dealing with it all this time. I understand that you, personally, do not wish to be taken as responsible for it, but I'm afraid that that is not possible. It is a stigma that you will have to bear with or to fix it if you can.
How it could be fixed is something I do not know and that I do not care about right now. All I can care about is to responding the attacks and try to return all damage multiplied. Not that I wish to do harm, but it is the only door left open to us.
This doesn't mean that I wouldn't like things to settle and stretching a friendly hand to Nords. While in the recent past that has been so, I now have reasons to wish things to settle. But you probably know that the things to be fixed are too many, much scattered and deeply rooted by now.
Ever since then, it has been a battle to recognize one's own NW origins without being branded a Nazi Nordicist.
I can imagine how hard it is for you, but I can feel no pity for it and I can only forsee things to get even worse in the future. I cannot feel any pity because our battling is being much harder and exhausting than yours.
Oh and Mynydd....speak nothing about either my reality and my world or my personal independence....for you know naught of these things. I need no "pack" to protect me. I've protected myself just fine for all these years and I have the experience, intelligence and wisdom to stand alone. Again, the yeoman's way.
As I said, I concede there are a few amongst your people who may be different, most probably you are one of them. Even when I've had to withdraw my own words from similar statements I made, and concede that others were right (hello, Gálvez ). But while I can judge a few cases on an individual basis, I must not allow myself to stop considering all as one only and unified package.
And, by the way, I believe that your (yours or your group's) preservationist ideas are pointed into the wrong direction. You are directing all your efforts towards non significant individual cases instead of putting them on the real problem. But I'm biased here.