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Post by buddy on Jan 16, 2006 22:53:30 GMT -5
I'll just say this. I've noticed that plenty of Asian men are to be seen in the local gyms and physical fitness centers here at school. Perhaps it's because they are trying to break this stereotype of themselves.
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Post by Josh on Jan 16, 2006 23:51:03 GMT -5
I'll just say this. I've noticed that plenty of Asian men are to be seen in the local gyms and physical fitness centers here at school. Perhaps it's because they are trying to break this stereotype of themselves. I noticed the same thing here.
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Post by buddy on Jan 17, 2006 1:15:21 GMT -5
^And speaking of the gym, I need to start getting back into that habit haha. I've had zero time to do that lately.
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 17, 2006 1:43:06 GMT -5
My mom knows how life is for a mixed race self person so why put my unborn kids through that? I don't want my future born kids pulling a Tiger Woods. Everyone's experience is different. Good, emotionally balanced parents generally make for good, emotionally balanced children. If my father was a father, I'd be in better shape. In the Deep South we just don't do that, in NY you city slickers mix freely. It just isn't my piece of cake to date outside of my race. Hey, it's fine if that's your personal preference. The way I see it, it's just hardly defensible to justify it otherwise. Put it this way, I'm not into white women, never have and never will be. My dorm mate is and he sexes them in the droves, that makes me sick. However, i would never say I wouldn't because God works in mysterious ways. I'm not going to demean anyone that does.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Jan 17, 2006 2:20:35 GMT -5
Gee, so I look more masculine than a northeast Asian male? I would like to disagree (no surprise there)!
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Post by tommywong on Jan 17, 2006 7:40:20 GMT -5
Gee, so I look more masculine than a northeast Asian male? I would like to disagree (no surprise there)! As I stated in my previous post, 'Feminine' is probably not the word I am meaning. I'm sure random Nigerian woman is more attractive to a male than a random Chinaman, otherwise there would be too much Asian Male homosexuality, which is not what I am stating. We Asian men are not seen as 'rough' enough. Okai, I think you have hit on something, notice Hiroyuki Sanada, has more facial and scalp hair than average, he does appear a little more masculine. But even he, Donnie, and the rest of the special martial art/body builder class of asians have difficultly being seen as a couple with a White or Black woman. In Western movies featuring asian actors, very few show a relationship between them and a non-Asian woman. Even Jackie Chan perhaps goes as far as holding hands or just dancing with a non-Asian, not even in an intimate manner, like you'd see with a White or Black Actor like Pierce Brosnan, Sean Connery making love with Black bondgirls, with Asian men it's played out as nothing more than a joke, and to show the only side of the interracial divide jackie chan is interested in: CHAN URGES FOREIGNERS TO MARRY CHINESE WOMEN Black model - Chinese model - White model It's hard to imagine that guy being in an intimate relationship with the two women either side of him. Now put Pierce Brosnan there and it looks normal, he could take both on at the same time. Likewise with Dennis Rodman. Again with this Indian. I would agree that part of this is due to stereotypes, and lack of Asian rolemodels (actors in intimate relationships with white/black women on screen), another part is due to average body proportions (height/weight), then there are cultural attitudes which work against Asians. These three problems can be overcome. Yet, still there is something to do with the Asian physique and probably Brain/Hormonal chemistry, which limits even Westernised Asian males. In the porn industry, where there are hundreds of Asian females, there are no Asian males, except ofcourse in Asia and of Asian-Asian relationship. Whereas there are hundreds of Black males, Black females, White males, White females, Hispanic males, Hispanic females. There are few Indian males, but then there are also very few Indian females - So this relates to a cultural issue, Indians are physically like Whites or Blacks anyway, so I doubt they have a problem. So ofcourse I'm Bitter, The USA is like a big multiracial party, everyone is invited except the Asian male. Not that I'm particularly fond of interracial dating, I can still find an Asian female that actually likes Asian males (I would rather have daughters, or Eurasian sons since they would stand a better chance in the western dating game), but I see a fundamental problem in the Asian race, which makes it impossible for Asians to coexist with non-Asians on a fair one-on-one basis, Asians will always lose out. What I mean by this is White nations can cope with a heavy influx of Blacks or Asians, crime may increase, unemployment may go up, education standards may go down, but the core relationship between the Whites and the minorities doesnt compromise Whites. Now try to imagine what would happen if just 1 million Blacks and 1 million Whites found themselves in Japan (mostly in Tokyo), the demasculination of the Japanese male would be a nightmare, this would be worse than any Godzilla invasion! This is also probably the fundamental reason why East asia will never go through such an immigration phase as the rest of the world.
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Post by tommywong on Jan 17, 2006 7:52:21 GMT -5
Even Rick Yune has a lot of difficultly getting a part with a non-asian girl. This is the demasculination I am talking about, Rick Yune can do everything in The Fast and the Furious or Die Another Day, except give or take any sexual advances from non-asian women. It's like it's taboo, like two guys kissing on screen, or that movie directors are scared that it just won't work, and their fears are understood, even I believe it won't work.
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Post by tommywong on Jan 17, 2006 9:26:59 GMT -5
*This* really blew my mind! I watched Nancy Grace (a smart blonde lawyer/commentator from the South) on Cable Headline News while I read this thread. She talked about Olivia Newton John's missing boyfriend, who is of Asian descent. She said that, contrary to the stereotype, she and other women thought that he was very attractive. (no kidding) Her boyfriend (Patrick McDermott) seems to have a more caucasian facial profile than most asians, he looks hapa (what is his ancestry, Hawaiian?, Eurasian?). Hairy and rugged looking. I can see how his look would be attractive to non-Asian women, but I'm sure even he would have to queue up behind many White and Black men. www.amw.com/missing_persons/look_for.cfm?id=34266Patrick Kim McDermott Sex Male Race OtherAge at Disappearance 48 # Hair (Color, Description, Facial Hair) Other # Eyes (Color and Correction) Brown www.angryasianman.com/angry2005-08.html"According to this article, Patrick Kim McDermott—Olivia Newton John's boyfriend who's gone missing—is indeed of Korean descent: Olivia Newton-John's Lover Gone. Okay. That's all." - I think he's mixed Korean & White/US Soldier (his name, his hair, facial features), either way he's gone. I think the wider face, with more fat, and softer features is a big turn off for non-asian women (and perhaps even asian women who are brought up in western society). similarly the natural body shape of asian males is probably a turn off. It's hard to pick a single feature and say hey that's it! It's like how do you know a face is Male or Female? How do you know a Male will go well with a non-Asian Female? You just know. Sure, quantitatively you can check someone's sex organs to find out whether they have a Penis or a Vagina, and then conclude their gender, similarly you can check a man's sex organs to find out whether he packs a small Penis or a normal/big Penis, and then conclude whether they're Asian or not. I guess evolution didn't plan for the posibility for such different races living together, no system is perfect, someone had to lose out. White, Black, Arab, and Indian people were the more fortunate ones, they are more related peoples anyway, us Asians were unfortunate. evolution screwed us. Sure we're a model minority group in the Western world, we're smart, don't cause trouble, are good for the economy, but we (Asian males) can't form relationships with non-Asians as well as the other races, which will always let us (All Asians) down, even if it doesn't make the headlines.
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Post by aroundtheworld on Jan 17, 2006 10:01:31 GMT -5
First of all there is nothing wrong with Asian men. They are sought-after and attractive in REAL life. The one thing that I see different about Asian men versus Polynesian/Black/White/Indian men is that Asian men are the pickiest about women of all the men I've ever seen in my life. They want perfection, delicate and are stuck on a certain type of woman-usually fair-skinned which limits their selection to White/Euro women and light-skinned Asian types. Most Asian men do not find black women attractive regardless of their features/color/size. That has a lot to do with it. Jet Li and actress/singer Alliyah acted together in Romeo Must Die. Asian women loved Aliyah's look and even said she "wasn't black" b/c of her refined features and long hair/light skin but she would still not be considered ideal for most Asian men even tho the average White/Black/Polynesian/Indian man would take her as a wife/mate.
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Post by aroundtheworld on Jan 17, 2006 10:12:59 GMT -5
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Post by MC anunnaki on Jan 17, 2006 10:21:47 GMT -5
Okai, I think you have hit on something, notice Hiroyuki Sanada, has more facial and scalp hair than average, he does appear a little more masculine. But even he, Donnie, and the rest of the special martial art/body builder class of asians have difficultly being seen as a couple with a White or Black woman. Says who? I have no problem seeing myself with Russell Wong. ;D Who gives a shit about movies? When was the last time you saw a handsome muscular man in a romantic movie with an overweight, not so good-looking woman? Hollywood is not in touch with reality, you shouldn't focus so much on the media. Don't you think it's a bit unfair to compare some unknown average looking Chinese dude with a star like Pierce Brosnan (who gets roles partly based on his good looks)? Who looks out of place in between (ha!) those women, Rick Yune (who's very masculine if you want the opinion of a heterosexual non-Asian female) or Swedish prime minister Göran Persson: It's the same silly comparison. I don't think it's a case of Asian men being less 'rough' and 'manly' than their black and white counterparts, but it's more about a bad stereotype in the media. True. You make it sound like a bad thing to not be in a porn movie... I think the reasons are more cultural than anything. You make it sound like there's something biologically wrong with Asian males and that's why they can't attract non-Asian females. I think you're seeing problems that aren't there. Ask yourself, do you feel less masculine next to a black or a white male? Why would Japanese men suddenly be considered less masculine just because a bunch of black and white dudes invade the country? Okay, height might be one thing, but would a Japanese man who stands at 180 cm feel less masculine next to a white man of the same height? I still think it's more about cultural stereotyping than anything. We see extremely few, if any, Asian men in romantic leads which makes some think they're not attractive enough or masculine enough for romantic affairs with non-Asian women (or even Asian for that matter). At the same time we see plenty of stereotypical martial arts badass Asians and I doubt people think of them as less masculine... Well, if we are to believe those against immigration, this is a good thing.
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Post by nockwasright on Jan 17, 2006 10:37:30 GMT -5
On average far east Asians have more paedomofic (look less virile) looks and are culturally less agressive and self imposing (so appear less virile in behaviour). That's the "angry asian man" problem in a nutshell.
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Post by wadad on Jan 17, 2006 11:03:19 GMT -5
This stereotype Asians face did not just develop overnight, its been a subconcious effort by the powers that be to effeminize what they saw as a threat. Who would have called the culture of the Mongol Hordes effeminate? Its obvious tommy wong was indoctrinated by the same streotype.
Whites are the majority here, thus the prominence of IR dating will always depend on their whims. From personal observation, though its usually the Minority in question who is seeking a White partner, the White partner usually sees it merely as a stand-in, or a phase. For the mot part people want their offspring to look like them (Im sure that is the case with Whites too, even those who are in IR relationships), so dating and miscegenation are two different things.
This is the crux of the issue...whats effeminate about this? Asian men provide better for their families, which is definitely a better gauge for what is masculine than the occasional inter-racial date. I hope you dont consider IR dating as your criteria to judge which race is a worthier mate.
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Post by tommywong on Jan 17, 2006 11:16:31 GMT -5
I will have to see that movie, to see how well they act out any intimate scenes. From the picture that mixed black woman looks somewhat asian, but still the pairing looks a little unusual. I was actually searching for regular people, but they didnt contrast well with the bikini clad women, so i chose actors and models - the asian man there is a model, not an average looking chinese dude. In any case, here's Rick Yune against those women. Something is still wrong. Rick Yune even against someone small like Eminem or Ja Rule. would lose out against female selection from all races, maybe even Asian females. Dealing with average people it's even more unfair to Asian men. The difference between the average white/black and average asian is more than the difference between someone like Rick Yune and Pierce Brosnan. Maybe it is, I hear they get paid pretty good actually, the women atleast. I'm being serious now, the point with porn is that it throws all the wining and dining, flash cars, nice hair cuts, money, good looks etc. out the window and deals with basic nature. Asian men are not in porn simply because we do not look good in it ('short quick rapid stabs', it's not just about having a smaller penis), infact we feature more in gay porn than straight porn in the western market. It's not because Asian men don't watch porn, and Black men watch more porn than anyone. we do watch it! We just are not in it! A Black or White man with an Asian woman in a porno looks better than an Asian man with any woman, by western sex standards. Japanese sex standards are different, few westerners enjoy watching Japanese style Asian-Asian porn. So the problem ultimately stems down to sex im my opinion, anything sexual or intimate between an Asian man and a non-Asian woman, and that's where it starts becoming 'eww'. Call me sinister, but I really think there is. We are different, all races are different. Asians evolved in Asia, Whites in Europe, Blacks in Africa. Would you say that it is a cultural thing that makes males attracted to females? obviously not. Would you say that certain males and certain females possess more sexually attractive qualities than others? most likely. If so, does this extend to races? Then some races of man and some races of woman in the eyes of other races of woman and other races of man will be deemed more sexually attractive, and less sexually attractive. There is nothing biologically wrong with Asian men, we function well in Asia. Just as fish function well in the water. But we function worse outside Asia. Just as fish function worse outside water. Our female counterparts function better, or atleast average (I doubt they make up for the lack of interest non-Asian women have in us).
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Post by tommywong on Jan 17, 2006 11:22:50 GMT -5
On average far east Asians have more paedomofic (look less virile) looks and are culturally less agressive and self imposing (so appear less virile in behaviour). That's the "angry asian man" problem in a nutshell. Yes I think that's it! Paedomorphic is looking more baby-like right? This is a physical thing, and therefore difficult to change, I could work out I guess, is it only on our surface (appearence)? or is it also part of our hormones / brain chemical balances?
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