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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 22, 2006 4:12:28 GMT -5
What is it? Do you have some kind of definition? Never answered my question. :shakes head: Oh my, you really want an answer, well ok. I myself am a self identified black American with a divserse background. To me if you show obvious African ancestry physically you are black, period. I don't believe in a mulatto category and would never label my self as such. One drop "blacks" like Walter White are just white to me
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 22, 2006 15:44:43 GMT -5
Let me add that mulatto just isn't a racial category for black Americans and despite my background I would never label myself as such. Most black Americans mulattoes are just black, I really don't understand Europeans fascination with the m-word.
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 22, 2006 15:55:56 GMT -5
Let me add that mulatto just isn't a racial category for black Americans and despite my background I would never label myself as such. Most black Americans mulattoes are just black, I really don't understand Europeans fascination with the m-word. I don't think they have such a fascination, generally, it's just on this board. Here they seem to think that everyone who isn't coal black is a halfie. I guess they don't understand African-American racial identification. I think the term mulatto is offensive, just like Negro and quadroon.
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Post by gabriel on Jan 25, 2006 20:29:52 GMT -5
black is everyone native from africa to middle east.
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Post by JoeyC134 on Jan 27, 2006 21:48:21 GMT -5
You're black if both of your parents are viewed as black and identify with the culture of other blacks in whatever country you're from.
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 30, 2006 11:07:30 GMT -5
You're black if both of your parents are viewed as black and identify with the culture of other blacks in whatever country you're from. Thats basically what it all comes down to.
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Post by Melani2333 on Jan 30, 2006 13:57:07 GMT -5
You're black if both of your parents are viewed as black and identify with the culture of other blacks in whatever country you're from. However, this is invalid for strict "mulattos" and/or people with 1 Black parent and one non-Black parent. To me a strict mulatto (white parent & average, dark parent) = looks mainly Black or at least non-white and will be "mistaken" as just Black most times, other races less often. This person will be culturally Black..... 1/4 Black = is non-Black, is a strict multiracial person 1/8 = White or whatever other race dominates by 7/8ths According to the federal gov't, a perosn who has 75% of one ancestry or 3 grandparents of that "race", can LEGALLY put that race on race federal race forms. It is true. A friend in college told me this in the early 90's, I looked it up and it is TRUE! I have heard of 1/4 Black persons using this out West. Check it out if you don't believe me. The "1-drop rule" is bascially only alive and well in the Southern US states. And it depends on the person. I have met in Louisiana, White people who had creole/ mulatto grandparents. As long as they were 100% phenotypically White, they are treated as Whites, unless they went out of their way to not be "White" (i.e. denounce Whites, only Black friends, ghetto acting, married Blacks, etc).
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 30, 2006 14:01:43 GMT -5
My mother is 50% Native American and 25% white and 25% black, so how would you define her? She identifies as black.
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Post by Melani2333 on Jan 30, 2006 14:20:58 GMT -5
My mother is 50% Native American and 25% white and 25% black, so how would you define her? She identifies as black. In the strictist non-prejudiced racial sense, she is Native American. At only 25% balck ancestry, the Native American features should dominate. Federal law always stated that a "zambo" could be solely NA, if the NA predominated. A past older friend of mines grandpa escapated a mandatory reservation existance by claiming to be Black rather than Indian. He was allowed to leave the reservation (by choice). There was NEVER a 1-drop rule for Indians vs. Blacks. I have met BNAs who had 1 Native parent, and 1 Black parent. They were also 50% NA and had full tribe membership and showed me thier tribal cards. I thought that they was just Black with admixture, but no, they were LEGALLY Indians. Goto North Carolina to see this esp. Does she have a tribal card or can get one? Is her family on the Daws Rolls? If so, she is legally Native American. Now, she has chosen to identitify with Black Americans and married Black. Her choice, but that doesn't change her race. Her culture, yes, but not her individual race. If she has Black features, then yes, I would consider her to be a mixed-raced black woman. Being in the South, she being a "person of a color", was probbaly just seen as light-skinned. But if she lived in the NE states (North Carolina, etc), she could/would have had the OPTION to be considerd NA or BNA. She is mixed-raced in the stricted since (should also look pred. Native), but might even look White. I would call you a Black American (not African) as you have 75% Black ancestry. See also Crash star Terrance Howell with his green eyes. His dad was mulatto, his mom Black. His biracial kids are very light mulattos.
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 30, 2006 14:39:07 GMT -5
My mother is 50% Native American and 25% white and 25% black, so how would you define her? She identifies as black. In the strictist non-prejudiced racial sense, she is Native American. At only 25% balck ancestry, the Native American features should dominate. Federal law always stated that a "zambo" could be solely NA, if the NA predominated. A past older friend of mines grandpa escapated a mandatory reservation existance by claiming to be Black rather than Indian. He was allowed to leave the reservation (by choice). There was NEVER a 1-drop rule for Indians vs. Blacks. I have met BNAs who had 1 Native parent, and 1 Black parent. They were also 50% NA and had full tribe membership and showed me thier tribal cards. I thought that they was just Black with admixture, but no, they were LEGALLY Indians. Goto North Carolina to see this esp. Does she have a tribal card or can get one? Is her family on the Daws Rolls? If so, she is legally Native American. Now, she has chosen to identitify with Black Americans and married Black. Her choice, but that doesn't change her race. Her culture, yes, but not her individual race. If she has Black features, then yes, I would consider her to be a mixed-raced black woman. Being in the South, she being a "person of a color", was probbaly just seen as light-skinned. But if she lived in the NE states (North Carolina, etc), she could/would have had the OPTION to be considerd NA or BNA. She is mixed-raced in the stricted since (should also look pred. Native), but might even look White. I would call you a Black American (not African) as you have 75% Black ancestry. See also Crash star Terrance Howell with his green eyes. His dad was mulatto, his mom Black. His biracial kids are very light mulattos. My mother doesn't look mostly native though Melanie. I'm not going to post her pic here but she looks something similar to this with a much straighter nose: Would you consider that a mostly NA look?
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Post by Melani2333 on Jan 30, 2006 15:16:38 GMT -5
In the strictist non-prejudiced racial sense, she is Native American. At only 25% balck ancestry, the Native American features should dominate. Federal law always stated that a "zambo" could be solely NA, if the NA predominated. A past older friend of mines grandpa escapated a mandatory reservation existance by claiming to be Black rather than Indian. He was allowed to leave the reservation (by choice). There was NEVER a 1-drop rule for Indians vs. Blacks. I have met BNAs who had 1 Native parent, and 1 Black parent. They were also 50% NA and had full tribe membership and showed me thier tribal cards. I thought that they was just Black with admixture, but no, they were LEGALLY Indians. Goto North Carolina to see this esp. Does she have a tribal card or can get one? Is her family on the Daws Rolls? If so, she is legally Native American. Now, she has chosen to identitify with Black Americans and married Black. Her choice, but that doesn't change her race. Her culture, yes, but not her individual race. If she has Black features, then yes, I would consider her to be a mixed-raced black woman. Being in the South, she being a "person of a color", was probbaly just seen as light-skinned. But if she lived in the NE states (North Carolina, etc), she could/would have had the OPTION to be considerd NA or BNA. She is mixed-raced in the stricted since (should also look pred. Native), but might even look White. I would call you a Black American (not African) as you have 75% Black ancestry. See also Crash star Terrance Howell with his green eyes. His dad was mulatto, his mom Black. His biracial kids are very light mulattos. My mother doesn't look mostly native though Melanie. I'm not going to post her pic here but she looks something similar to this with a much straighter nose: Would you consider that a mostly NA look? No, I would gather she was a light skinned Black or mulatto. Is this the best example? The woman pictured looks like rapper Trina or something. If your mom looked like that, then she looks more Black than me and I am 50% Black American. She should look less Black than me at only 25%. Where are you getting those percentages? If she was as you said 50% NA (as in one full blooded NA parent) and 25%, 25% ( one mullato parent), then no, she is mixed race and should not look "Black". Is she from 2 Black parents who were both light or part-Indian (= Black) ? Or was one parent non-Black (=mixed-raced)? Your % may be incorrect without DNA testing. If she looks that Black, then yes, she is Black. A lot of Blacks via oral history overestimate admixtures or claim this ancestor or that was x,y,z when they were not. Being mixed-raced only goes by immediate parentage. And anyone past grandma is someone you never knew and shouldn't claim in a racial identity sense!
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 30, 2006 15:27:28 GMT -5
No. my grandmother is fully native Americans and my grandfather has a white mother. my mother looks very similar to Olivia Brown if not the same, but a little lighter with a straighter nose. In a case like that the phenotype can go either way. Henry Louis Gates just found out his ancestry was 50% white and look at him www.courant.com/features/lifestyle/hc-blackwhite.artjan30,0,6744935.story?coll=hc-headlines-life He doesn't look mulatto at all does he?
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Post by Melani2333 on Jan 30, 2006 15:56:05 GMT -5
No. my grandmother is fully native Americans and my grandfather has a white mother. my mother looks very similar to Olivia Brown if not the same, but a little lighter with a straighter nose. In a case like that the phenotype can go either way. Henry Louis Gates just found out his ancestry was 50% white and look at him www.courant.com/features/lifestyle/hc-blackwhite.artjan30,0,6744935.story?coll=hc-headlines-life He doesn't look mulatto at all does he? You are not adding the percentages correctly. You said she was 50% NA, 25% white, and 25% Black - that is incorrect. She is 50% NA + 50% Black from one parent and, she is 25% White and 75% Black from the other parent. She has Black ancestry in different porportions on both sides. You have overestimated her total admixture. No wonder she looks "Black". Do the math again. Anyways, DNA is not an exact science (yet) and one doesn't inherit or express all genes. Two sisters with the exact same parents can get different looks/phentoypes but share the same genes/genotype. I have 1/2 dark Black and 1/2 Mexican cousins who are dark, but feature wise look Mexican. I have seen many NA crosses with blacks ( I am also slightly NA ~ 1/16) and Indian/Mongoliam genes usually predominate in first generation crosses in features. Add that to heavily diluted Balck genes, and you should get a light brown "Hispanic" individual, not a high yellow Beyonce "Black" individual. Again, Louis Gates is incorrect. He is reading the test wrong and the tests themselves do have l;arge margin errors. They probably found White genes on several alleles, 50% of the time. That is not a mulatto. And he probably has 2 Black parents and no immediate White ancestors... that too is not a mulatto. When mixing fractional porportions the sum IS equal to the parts.
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 30, 2006 16:00:23 GMT -5
No no no. My mother has a half white half black father and a fully Native American mother, that would make her at least 50% NA and 25 and 25 black and white.
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Post by Melani2333 on Jan 30, 2006 16:09:01 GMT -5
No no no. My mother has a half white half black father and a fully Native American mother, that would make her at least 50% NA and 25 and 25 black and white. Okay. let's get this str8. You said your grandfather had a white mother. That would make your grandfather a mulatto and your mom 25% White + 75% Black from him. That is not the same as being 25% Black. 25% Black is only having 1 Black grandparent. Does she only have 1 Black grandparent, or 2? Or 2 mixed with Black grandparents? You have to count both sides.
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