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Post by Batrus on Jan 4, 2006 7:36:40 GMT -5
I don't think that ethnic looking has literal meaning. In USA, colloquially, it means non wasp. At least that's my impression.
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Post by Josh on Jan 4, 2006 7:40:40 GMT -5
Isn't the term "ethnic-looking" more of a British/Australian term? I don't hear it much where I live, though the US is a big country, so I suppose it could vary from region to region.
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Post by Josh on Jan 4, 2006 7:48:21 GMT -5
Isn't there a Lega Sud too? Lega Nord tried to create a Lega Sud spin off to gather all the forces in Italy in favor of federalism, but it didn't work. So there's no Lega Sud So then this page is fake? www.legasud.it/home.htm
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Post by Springa on Jan 4, 2006 8:25:03 GMT -5
I'd say it is. It's not used in Brazil either, and our academy is mostly based on the French one, so I suppose they don't use it in France as well. Isn't the term "ethnic-looking" more of a British/Australian term? I don't hear it much where I live, though the US is a big country, so I suppose it could vary from region to region.
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Post by Ilmatar on Jan 4, 2006 9:42:37 GMT -5
Lega Nord tried to create a Lega Sud spin off to gather all the forces in Italy in favor of federalism, but it didn't work. So there's no Lega Sud So then this page is fake? www.legasud.it/home.htmNo, they still exists, they just aren't affiliated to Lega Nord anymore. And they are hilarous....
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Post by huzar on Jan 4, 2006 10:32:07 GMT -5
Following this definition Italians can't indeed be considered "the most ethnic looking" group in Europe. In order to be the "most ethnic looking" they should be easily distinguishable from other ethnic groups. However, this is clearly not the case. Of course it isn't. There isn't an italian race. Most imagine some "typical" italian look cause the great majority of immigrants from Italy were southern italian/sicilian. That's all. The average type of italians in America doesn't rapresent all italian population from north to south. Historically the north isn't neither part of italic peninsula.
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Post by nockwasright on Jan 4, 2006 11:13:49 GMT -5
My first meeting with term "ethnic looking" was here, in Dodona. I couldn't understand at all what it means, tried to find in dictionaries translation, asked my friends with good english knowledge but there were no results. Later one dodona member explained me what "ethnic looking" means. Otherwise I maybe never would find out. "Ethnic looking" is really strange phrase. Not only japanese look like japanese, bantu look like bantu, chinese look like chinese etc., but also germans look like germans, poles look like poles, swedes look like swedes, french look like french etc. So why europeans can't be ethnic looking? It looks to me as the expression of an infinite and unconscious self centeredness, as in considering themselves the antonomasia Man and the others as something that needs to/can be classified. Which btw can be a healthy thing in a society. Josh, Lega Sud never had the numbers for one seat in parliament, I think. It's really a neglectable phenomenon. Springa: I think in modern times the North is always been more prosperous than the South in Italy. Even when it was poor.
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Post by Josh on Jan 4, 2006 11:48:34 GMT -5
Josh, Lega Sud never had the numbers for one seat in parliament, I think. It's really a neglectable phenomenon. Ah, ok, that explains it.
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Post by zemelmete on Jan 5, 2006 7:02:18 GMT -5
My first meeting with term "ethnic looking" was here, in Dodona. I couldn't It looks to me as the expression of an infinite and unconscious self centeredness, as in considering themselves the antonomasia Man and the others as something that needs to/can be classified. Which btw can be a healthy thing in a society. Sorry, I don't completely understand what is written here. Even translating with dictionaries doesn't help. What means "self centeredness" and "the antonomasia Man"? If to return to "ethnic looking", it is easly translated but the meaning here is totally different. "Ethnic looking" in Latvia is regarded to a person who is wearing folk costume or something like that.
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Post by Ilmatar on Jan 5, 2006 7:15:53 GMT -5
Of course it isn't. There isn't an italian race. Most imagine some "typical" italian look cause the great majority of immigrants from Italy were southern italian/sicilian. That's all. There is a great variety of phenotypes among the Southern Italians too. It shouldn't be surpricing, since most parts of Southern Italy have been heavily populated since Neolithic times. Generally speaking the greater founder population is, more variation there is. For instance, Finns, and especially Eastern Finns tend to have very distictive "typical" looks also because the founding population was small. In that sense Finns and the Sámi could be actually considered the most ethnic looking people in Finland. The thing is that Italian American cousins often don't look like their cousins in Italy either. Environmental factors may come into play. For instance, Italian Americans would have added a lot of meat to their diet, while Southern Italians have traditionally eaten very little meat. I think you are confusing terms here. Penisula is a geographic term. Geographically speaking all the lands South the Alps are part of the Italic penisula. Historically speaking different areas of Italic penisula have been different things in different times. I know that that Northern Parts of Italic penisula weren't considered part of the Italic penisula by the Romans in the Republic times. But that was more than 2000 years ago. Since then Northern Parts of Italy have been many things. I personally think that even the Northern parts of Italy are culturally speaking much more Italic than anything else. I've lived in Italy and been to all the neighbouring countries. I've been to the border districts too. They tend to have "mixed" culture, but that's it. Verona, Milan and Turin have more in common with Rome or Florance than with Munich, Graz, Bratislava or Budapest. On the other hand, I went to the trade fairs in Germany a couple of times when living in Italy. And you know, each time I went there I was surpriced by how similar the things were there compared to Finland. I never felt that way when I went to Milan or even some smaller Northern Italian town. This is of course only my personal perception, but since my Italian friends working for a Finnish multinational have had same kind of experiences I actually think there is something to it.
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Post by Platypus on Jan 5, 2006 9:57:56 GMT -5
the Italo Americans, (or in this case Americans with an Italian surname) That come travelling or study in Europe, Are usually rather tall (6'2'' at lest) of robust constitution, often with light yes and usually pale skin. this is the type that has been absorbed the most in American culture and has mixed the most with other types, usually fellow catholics such as Irish and Poles
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Post by nockwasright on Jan 5, 2006 11:56:13 GMT -5
It looks to me as the expression of an infinite and unconscious self centeredness, as in considering themselves the antonomasia Man and the others as something that needs to/can be classified. Which btw can be a healthy thing in a society. Sorry, I don't completely understand what is written here. Even translating with dictionaries doesn't help. What means "self centeredness" and "the antonomasia Man"? If to return to "ethnic looking", it is easly translated but the meaning here is totally different. "Ethnic looking" in Latvia is regarded to a person who is wearing folk costume or something like that. Sorry, sometimes I make up my own words without cheking if they really exist. I meant that WASP culture tend to ignore everything that is not WASP in a way that all the dominant classess ever had, but even more. So when they think about Man in generic terms (as in "Man is the most intelligent of animals"), they think about a WASP. The rest is man with something attached. Maybe it's all in my head, however.
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Post by buddy on Jan 5, 2006 18:26:33 GMT -5
I don't think that ethnic looking has literal meaning. In USA, colloquially, it means non wasp. At least that's my impression. You are correct. When Americans describe someone as "ethnic-looking," what they mean is that the person doesn't look northern European, or WASP if you will. Also, it's not usually used to refer to African-Americans of primarily West African origin either. I've known of Americans referring to Latin American mestizos/mulattos as "ethnic-looking," along with people of Middle Eastern, South Asian, and to a lesser extent East Asian or Mediterranean descent as well. I personally think it's a very poor way to use such a term, as WASPs also have an ethnic identity lol.
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Post by buddy on Jan 5, 2006 18:30:24 GMT -5
the Italo Americans, (or in this case Americans with an Italian surname) That come travelling or study in Europe, Are usually rather tall (6'2'' at lest) of robust constitution, often with light yes and usually pale skin. this is the type that has been absorbed the most in American culture and has mixed the most with other types, usually fellow catholics such as Irish and Poles Platypus that's an interesting observation. It's definitely true that Italian-Americans are often mixed with other European ethnicities nowadays, and I suppose as a result some of us don't look like what Italians in Italy are used to seeing everyday, though still, Italy is very phenotypically diverse within the European spectrum of appearances. BTW, mixing with other European-American Catholics is also by far the norm when Italian-Americans intermarry (and intermarriage among all Euro-American groups is actually the norm rather than the exception anymore). Italian-Irish is the most common combination, and next would probably be Italian-Polish or Italian-German.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Jan 5, 2006 18:32:47 GMT -5
Most non WASP Americans think of WASPS as boring,plain,or wonderbread so they don't equate WASPS with having an ethnic identity.
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