Animosity between northern and southern Italians

[tonynatuzzi]

Dan Marino can tan real easy though I have seen pics where he looks real tanned,he must have got the able to tan genes from his partial Italian ancestry.

[vgambler33]

tonynatuzzi said:

Dan Marino can tan real easy though I have seen pics where he looks real tanned,he must have got the able to tan genes from his partial Italian ancestry.

Italians tan easy?

[Ilmatar]

They do, generally speaking. But then again, so do Swedes. So maybe Dan Marino is partly Swedish too.

[huzar]

olympian said:

north italians still look southern european to me

Not more than the average Frenchman, imo.

[tonynatuzzi]

Southern Italians/Sicilians along with Greeks and the Southern Portuguese are the most dark and ethnic looking in all of Europe period.

[nerdling301]

vgambler33 said:

Italians tan easy?

i'm 1/4 italian from sarno outside of naples, and i've never worn sunscreen and never gotten a sunburn even though i'm whiter than many of my 100% irish classmates in the winter. In the summer, it's a different story

[vgambler33]

tonynatuzzi said:

Southern Italians/Sicilians along with Greeks and the Southern Portuguese are the most dark and ethnic looking in all of Europe period.

Southern Spanish are dark to many look berbic.

[Miguel Antunes]

Southern Portuguese are the same as Northern Portuguese...you cannot tell them apart...except from those southern portuguese that are descendants from black slaves and are 20% SSA wich are a very small minority...and stay mostly in their isolated vilages..
Never..I my entire life....as a Portuguese have I looked at compatriot and been able to ascertain were he was from...never! We are very homogeneous....and our more exotic people..either fair or swarthy are evenly scatered along the country...
Besides....Southern Portuguese are only about 1/10 of our population...

Italy is a lot bigger than Portugal and is a the same time very close from Central Europe and Northern Africa...so I believe there might be some difference among them...but it must be heavily exagerated....

[vgambler33]

praetorian said:

Southern Portuguese are the same as Northern Portuguese...you cannot tell them apart...except from those southern portuguese that are descendants from black slaves and are 20% SSA wich are a very small minority...and stay mostly in their isolated vilages..

Do you have pictures of the portuguese who are 20% SSA?

[Miguel Antunes]

Well...I don't....and I don't know if there are any on the net...
But I once saw a documentary on Tv, and an article on a magazine too, about "Os Negros do Sado", the blacks from the sado (a river in the south), and they seemed quadroonish...
But, believe it or not...the existence of such people is not common knowledge here in Portugal...we simply don't care that much about all that racial nonsense....I am kind of an exception =P

[olympian]

tonynatuzzi said:

Southern Italians/Sicilians along with Greeks and the Southern Portuguese are the most dark and ethnic looking in all of Europe period.

what??
are u serious??
why are u making irrational generalisations??
u obviously never been to any of the aforementioned countries
and dont know shit about these people

[nockwasright]

O my God, you people never tire of endlessly talking about who is darker than whom and who looks more "Italian"? There is not an Italian race, subrace or phenotype, so all this subject, apart being trite, is pointless. The more you go south the darker the people is in Europe, and more or less that's it on pigmentation.
On an unrelated point its interesting to see how "different from white, i.e. wasp" come to be "ethnic looking" in American language, as if "whites/wasps" had not an ethnicity. As if someone could have more ethnicity than someone else. It may be part of your everyday language, but it looks quite stupid to my eyes.

[Ilmatar]

For those of you too busy to study the works of philosophers and sociologists who have had their take on the concept here's a definition for ethnicity from wikipedia:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnicity

Following this definition Italians can't indeed be considered "the most ethnic looking" group in Europe. In order to be the "most ethnic looking" they should be easily distinguishable from other ethnic groups. However, this is clearly not the case.

[Springa]

It's funny how 2 or 3 generations can change people.
In the 19th and early 20th centuries the people from these same regions in Northern Italy (Veneto, Emilia-Romagna, Lombardia, etc...) were shit poor, many didn't even have enough to eat, so they came to Brazil by the boatloads. And here, I mean, here in the land of the monkeys and the mongrels, they were seen (by the middle and upper classes I mean) as primitive and inferior peasants, a little bit better than blacks (who were still slaves a couple decades before).
I also read a biography of Mussolini that said that his region (in the north) was one of the poorest in Italy when he was born.
A hundred years later, after they industrialize the place, Northern Italy is much richer than the south, so many people there have the same snobbish attitude their relatives used to get. A friend of my mother's from somewhere in the norh and he says with disdain that Sicily is not Italy, it's Africa.

It's quite similar to what seems to be going on in Ireland I suppose. In one or two generations they'll be as arrogant and prejudiced as anyone in Europe and will forget that for centuries they were the illeterate masses who'll fled their country in order not to starve.

dagistanli said:

equilibrium said:

I also noticed that, a lot of northern italians, don't want to have anything with italians from the south of the peninsula. They like to identify themselves with French, germans, and Austrians. Here are some posts from a northern Italian (probably, a sympathiser of Força italia)

I think this maps shows how some northern italians feel about southerners

[zemelmete]

nockwasright said:

On an unrelated point its interesting to see how "different from white, i.e. wasp" come to be "ethnic looking" in American language, as if "whites/wasps" had not an ethnicity. As if someone could have more ethnicity than someone else. It may be part of your everyday language, but it looks quite stupid to my eyes.

My first meeting with term "ethnic looking" was here, in Dodona. I couldn't understand at all what it means, tried to find in dictionaries translation, asked my friends with good english knowledge but there were no results. Later one dodona member explained me what "ethnic looking" means. Otherwise I maybe never would find out.
"Ethnic looking" is really strange phrase. Not only japanese look like japanese, bantu look like bantu, chinese look like chinese etc., but also germans look like germans, poles look like poles, swedes look like swedes, french look like french etc. So why europeans can't be ethnic looking?