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Post by Mike the Jedi on Jan 3, 2006 3:09:51 GMT -5
It's not whitewashing, considering that southern Euros are WHITE! Thats like accusing some one of blackwashing Nigerians, WTF, makes no sense. White is a problematic social term.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Jan 3, 2006 3:13:28 GMT -5
Mike why is White a problematic social term.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Jan 3, 2006 3:39:05 GMT -5
Because nobody can agree on what it means.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Jan 3, 2006 4:08:03 GMT -5
White means different things to different people but one thing is for sure and that is that Nordics are the only Caucasoid subrace that is considered White by virtually 100% of the world's population.I don't know anybody that does not consider Nordics to be White and I doubt there is a single Human being on this planet who considers Nordics to be NonWhites.Every other Caucasoid subrace is another story.Not to mention Nordics are the only Caucasoid subrace that Afrocentrics don't try to Blackwash, even the Afrocentrics won't f*ck with and question the Whiteness of Nordics. I will guarantee you that all Human Beings on this planet would classify Paul Bettany for example as White if they saw him. Now Ralph Macchio is another story,there are PLENTY of Human Beings on this planet who would question this guy's Whiteness in a heartbeat.He is not guaranteed to be seen as White by almost everyone if he took a trip to Lativa or Estonia or Sweden or if he went to a Klan ralley or nazi skinhead ralley for example.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Jan 3, 2006 21:57:08 GMT -5
Exactly. People will quibble over everything but the extremes.
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Post by stella22 on Jan 3, 2006 23:24:54 GMT -5
The truth is that many mulattos do end up with southern european coloring. Check out mixed race Jennifer Beals. She looks like Ralph Macchio's sister.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Jan 3, 2006 23:26:12 GMT -5
That's what happens when light extreme mates with dark.
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Post by brazen on Jan 4, 2006 1:51:17 GMT -5
Because nobody can agree on what it means. The standard definition of whiteness I believe is accepted by 99% of people through out the western world is anybody and everybody of European descent. Nordics, Meds, Slavics, ect. Everything from Iceland to Greece is considered white, and all European descended people through out North and South America. And all European descended people in Australia and New Zealand
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Jan 4, 2006 2:12:28 GMT -5
Hey brazen Australia is the only Western country that does not consider all people of European descent as being White.They include some but exclude others.
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Post by brazen on Jan 4, 2006 2:28:36 GMT -5
Hey brazen Australia is the only Western country that does not consider all people of European descent as being White.They include some but exclude others. Yeah thats what I've heard. By that logic Australia must be a hardcore Ultra-Nordicist Society. Because the Ultra-Nordicist are the only ones that don't claim southern Euros as white.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Jan 4, 2006 2:46:52 GMT -5
Australia is a Nordicist's wet dreams. ;D
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Jan 4, 2006 2:50:23 GMT -5
Certainly, but those types have a very large foothold in the Western World's (at least America's and Australia's) consciousness. And then there are some who complicate the issue further by admitting Middle Eastern and North African people into the "white" category. And even more complications arise out of that concept because there are many non-European Caucasoids who look "whiter" than many Southern Europeans. Zinedine Zidane (Berber) would have a much easier time passing as white than Nick Turturro (Italian), for instance. That's why it's silly to make up a race based on geography. Too much overlap. And I say if people want to say European, just say European. White is useless in anthropology because it has too many definitions.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Jan 4, 2006 2:56:38 GMT -5
Zidane is "Whiter" looking than most of the cast of the Sopranos yet the Sopranos cast are all of European descent and Zidane is not.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Jan 4, 2006 3:03:01 GMT -5
Yes, that's why white is so problematic.
And this is coming from someone who is of partial Greek ancestry living in America who has identified as white his whole life without problems. But I have seen the shortcomings of the term head-on. I remember at my high school awards ceremony when a cute Caucasoid Spanish girl with curly black locks got a hefty bullshit minority scholarship for being "Hispanic." She stood up there with a bunch of mestizos, mulattos, and blacks, and honest-to-god was serious about being of "minority race." While me and my Greek & Italian classmates unsurprisingly got shit in that category, even though she was really just as "white" as we were. If that's not ignorance I don't know what is.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Jan 4, 2006 3:08:04 GMT -5
Hey Mike if Greece's official language was Spanish than you would have gotten a minority scholarship as well.
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