Post by racer1 on Apr 8, 2005 2:28:17 GMT -5
Anima said:
I always get offended when people lump the Vietnamese in with groups like Filipinos or Indonesians.Vietnamese and Filipinos do not look the same. The vast majority of Vietnamese I’ve seen are way smaller than Filipinos. Filipinos can be as tall as 5’9 feet to 6 feet like some of my relatives and friends. I’ve seen some Filipino Americans in the Marine Corps that are tall and some look like they eat steroids and steel for breakfast compared to the smaller Vietnamese and Laotian recruits I've seen. Just go to Marine Corps Recruit Depot in San Diego and check the Filipino Drill Instructors and recruits there. Favorite sport that Filipinos play in are baseball, mostly basketball, and sometimes American football. We have two China Towns here in Chicago, one real Chinatown near White Sox Park in the South Side and the other in the North Shore of Chicago called the Argyle which are actually Vietnamese community. The Vietnamese American founder (I forgot his name) just calls “second Chinatown”. I also use to have friends who are Vietnamese Americans so I’m pretty sure I know what they look like. I find it funny sometimes when I see Filipinos portraying Vietnamese VC or NVA troops in Vietnam War movies like Platoon, Hamburger Hill, or Chuck Norris’ Missing In Action when both Filipino Troops from the Philippines and Filipino Americans in the US Armed Forces served and fought in Vietnam War. Filipinos have been serving in the US Armed Forces since the American Civil War and in the Spanish Galleons for centuries. Vietnamese Boat People are recent arrivals to the US and Philippines in the pas 30 years. Source:
Filipinos in the American Civil War
Filipinos in Mexico and Spanish Galleons
Anima said:
the Chinese are at 0.5%Vietnamese look more mongoloid. I think they have more Chinese ancestry than just 0.5%! Some Vietnamese Americans I’ve met look like they could have Chinese ancestry or look like those from Southern China. If you’ve seen them you could mistaken them for southern Chinese like this girl. The Chinese have way more history with the Vietnamese people than the Americans or French did. Americans and French are small blips in Vietnamese history compared to the Chinese. That’s what a Vietnamese taxicab driver told American veteran visiting Hanoi in a documentary show. The Taxicab driver is also an NVA veteran. The Chinese had tried to invade and sinocize the Vietnamese people for milleniums since the Qin Dynasty. The last Chinese invasion was in 1978 when China’s PLA Army occupied Vietnam in retaliation for its attack on its ally the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. The majority of Vietnamese Boat People that left Vietnam in the late 70’s and early 80’s were of Chinese ancestry. Vietnamese use to have an animosity towards the Chinese.
During the Ming Dynasty, around 1420’s Admiral Zheng He and his Ming Chinese Treasure Fleet visited Indochina to present gifts and trade deals with Vietnam’s Emperor. He was surprised to find the large number of ethnic Chinese living there. Apparently, craftsmen and merchants had immigrated there since the Tang Dynasty. Vietnam’s culture, Royal Courts, and laws were heavily influenced by Confucianism and Chinese Dyansties
Source:
Admiral Zheng He(Mute the Sound)
Admiral Zheng He’s Fleet
History of Vietnam
Anima said:
3% non-mongoloid admixture...The French have only been in Vietnam for less than a 100 years. That’s not enough to cause a genetic change compared to the Chinese. The French that were there were small missionaries and colonial businessmen using their resources for their industries not earlier European settlers that settled in the Americas, Africa, Philippines, and the East Indies. Only around 3 million are Roman Catholic. If the French had stayed there a few centuries longer, they would have made the whole country convert to Roman Catholicism like in Haiti or Africa.
Roman Catholicism in Indochina
Anima said:
Japs are at about 1.2%Vietnamese don’t have Japanese Ancestry unless if they intermarry in Hawaii, California, or in Japan. Only the Japanese Army Air Force were stationed in the Air bases in Vietnam in order to intercept allied planes and convoys in Southern China and Burma. The Vichy French Government continued to administer the colony while the Japanese had small Air wing to deal with the Chinese, American, and British military. They were only interested in China and the East Indies not Indo-China. They didn’t cause a big impact or cause heavy massacres in Indochina compared to China, Korea Philippines and East Indies in World War 2. Source:
Flying Tigers
Anima said:
All I remember were that Indonesians were relatively with about 10-12 %. Filipinos were slightly lower.I’m pretty sure Filipinos have more foreign ancestry than Indonesians would as Tokenguy posted the link. Then again I never been to the East Indies, so I wouldn’t know the over all population. The Indonesians that I do know or have met look more Malayan than Filipinos as gundagai described in his post about what their racial features look like. The majority of the people in the East Indies are muslims for like 600 years, they can’t intermarry with their European protestant Christian colonalizer. Muslim men can marry non-muslim women but muslim women can’t. They might have intermarried with Arab and Indian merchant sailors and Imams that sailed from the Arabian and Indian Penninsula to the East Indies centuries ago. That’s how they become muslims through peaceful missionary work. However, I’ve seen a British model that is half-English and half-Malaysian. This is her website www.naomiweb.com/ She looks Filipino.
Examples of Filipino Mestizos (they have European or American ancestry)
Lexa Doig
WWE Wrestler Batista
Phoebe Cates
Natalie Coughlin (Her Grandfather is Filipino)
Imelda Marcos (I seen a pic of her father and he looks caucasoid)
Roman Gabriel Hall of Famer NFL Quarterback
Filipino-Japanese Ancestry (Their ancestors were Japanese Samurai Christians that fled Japan after the Sengoku Jidai and the start of the Tokugawa Shogunate.)
Benny Agbayani
Ferdinand Marcos
I’m interested in Chinese Warring States and Romance of the Three Kingdom History, Samurai Warfare and WW2 Pacific planes. So I know about this stuff. I’m also interested in the Vietnam War since I was a kid. I have a ton of Vietnam War books, an M-16 shell, and a Vietnam War era helmet. I have older former Marine friends that served there and some relatives that served in the Navy during the time (not in the war itself).