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Post by Springa on Dec 5, 2004 14:52:11 GMT -5
Well, actually, it´s less interesting than it may appear. There actually was immigration from Latvia and Lithuania to southern Brazil, where this branch of my family´s from. I used to live one block away from a Baptist Latvian Church, and I know that there are 180.000 lithuanians and descendents in Sao Paulo. There are regions of the countryside in the state of Sao Paulo that were settled by Latvians in the early 20th century (a town called Nova Odessa), and to this day they are called "Russians" in the region (much like the Lebanese and Syrians who are called "Turks" in Brazil). Of course the Baltic immigrant´s numbers pale in comparison to the massive ammounts of Southern Europeans, Japanese, Germans and Lebanese. But there´s a fairly large community anyway. There are also millions of Poles, Russians and Ukrainians in the southern states. There´s even a Finnish community in the mountain towns in the state of Rio de Janeiro. Finnish dance in Penedo, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil Brazil is a tricky place, hard for foreigners to figure out, hehehe... So, we might share some ancestory, since I'd actually be something like 1/64 or 1/128 Lithuanian. Anyhow, it would be interesting to know how and when exactly did your Baltic forefather (or foremother) come to Brazil. There hasn't been any mass imigration to the Southern America from these parts, so it might be an interesting story.
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Post by JoeyC134 on Dec 5, 2004 19:38:24 GMT -5
I'm an American mutt. Off the top of my head I probably have African, Anglo, French, Spanish, Cherokee, and Taino (or whoever were the native Cubans) blood in me.
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Post by Ilmatar on Dec 6, 2004 7:05:09 GMT -5
There are regions of the countryside in the state of Sao Paulo that were settled by Latvians in the early 20th century (a town called Nova Odessa), and to this day they are called "Russians" in the region. I gathered that there might be a substancial Russian community in Brazil, since a Brazilian friend of mine once served me stroganoff as a very typical Brazilian dish... I had to point out that if she took out the palm hearts, it was exactly like stroganoff that was introduced to Finland during the Russian rule in the 19th century. But I never thought that the Russians in Brazil would actually be Balts. My friend, by the way, is a very light skinned (she has to use a higher sun block than I), has light green eyes and is relatively blond. She also comes from State of Sao Paolo (Eastern part, if I remember correctly), but is mainly of the old Portuguese (her both surnames are Portuguese) and Italian (Calabrian and Venetian, she knows this since she has applied for the Italian citizenship, and traced back her Italian grandparents) heritage.
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Post by Springa on Dec 6, 2004 8:51:07 GMT -5
Wow, stroganoff with palm hearts, that's pretty creative. Normally it's done with mushrooms (apart from the meat of course) and served with rice and a kind of very thin potato chips that look almost like hay, I don't know what it's called. Anyway, there are many proper Russians here too, even more than the balts. One of my best friends, for instance, is one quarter Russian (his father's half Russian, half Polish). It's just that the balts were also called Russian, probably because they had Russian passports when they came to Brazil. Just like the middle easterns who as I said, are called Turks, because they had Turkish passports, as Syria and Lebanon were part of the Ottoman empire. Your friend sounds like the average white Brazilian from Sao Paulo, half Italian, half Portuguese. I actually feel pretty left out for not being Italian here. More than half the kids in my class in High School had at least one Italian surname... I gathered that there might be a substancial Russian community in Brazil, since a Brazilian friend of mine once served me stroganoff as a very typical Brazilian dish... I had to point out that if she took out the palm hearts, it was exactly like stroganoff that was introduced to Finland during the Russian rule in the 19th century. But I never thought that the Russians in Brazil would actually be Balts. My friend, by the way, is a very light skinned (she has to use a higher sun block than I), has light green eyes and is relatively blond. She also comes from State of Sao Paolo (Eastern part, if I remember correctly), but is mainly of the old Portuguese (her both surnames are Portuguese) and Italian (Calabrian and Venetian, she knows this since she has applied for the Italian citizenship, and traced back her Italian grandparents) heritage.
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Post by eufrenio on Dec 7, 2004 14:58:43 GMT -5
I´ve traced all my known ancestors to various parts of Spain (Castille, Galicia, Murcia)... The only exception that I know of is quite recent , and that is my great-grand father, who was from North-eastern France (Lorraine).He settled in Spain at the turn of the XXth century and married my paternal grandmother´s maternal grandmother. So technically I am 1/16 French.
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Post by Centurion on Dec 8, 2004 16:22:58 GMT -5
I'm an American of Italian, Portuguese and German descent.
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Post by Igu on Dec 9, 2004 16:28:53 GMT -5
mu father is from high kabylia and my mother from lower kabylia, 100% kabyle
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Post by Anja on Dec 10, 2004 21:24:35 GMT -5
pomeranian german (germano-slavic mix), german from northwest, scottish, french, a little irish, dutch, and swiss, and i'm still researching the family's genealogy. all this northern europe nonsense, and i'm still mistaken for being jewish, or someone that isn't fully white!
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Post by vela on Dec 10, 2004 22:11:06 GMT -5
pomeranian german (germano-slavic mix), german from northwest, scottish, french, a little irish, dutch, and swiss, and i'm still researching the family's genealogy. all this northern europe nonsense, and i'm still mistaken for being jewish, or someone that isn't fully white! Wow! have you been able to dig up all these from your genealogical research? How many generations does your tree have now or how backwards in time have you gone?
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Post by buddyrydell on Dec 10, 2004 22:49:48 GMT -5
pomeranian german (germano-slavic mix), german from northwest, scottish, french, a little irish, dutch, and swiss, and i'm still researching the family's genealogy. all this northern europe nonsense, and i'm still mistaken for being jewish, or someone that isn't fully white! People not mistaking you for fully "white" is absurd lol, I can't believe people are still hung up on this blond=Caucasian phenomenon. Some Americans are so race-obsessed. By the people you describe, I'd wager you were from either the South or the Midwest ;D.
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Post by slick on Dec 10, 2004 22:59:10 GMT -5
Nope. I am an American mix, though I identify as black because I grew up in a black community and even though many of my family is mixed, they consider themselves black. Plus, I myself am mostly black, though I have known since I was a child I have a mixed background. My grandmother is a mix of English, African (Barbadian), Scottish, and English; her mother is 3/4 Amerindian from North Carolina and 1/4 Scottish and her father is 1/2 Black and 1/2 English. My maternal grandfather is descended from "Black-Indians". Black-Indians is a term used to describe Amerindians who have substancial African admixture and who also claim Amerindian culture. I am not so sure about my father's ancestry though. He is black American, but I am not sure if he is part Amerindian and part Irish or not. The Barbadian part came from the fact that I spent the last few years doing genealogical research. I found that my black ancestors arrived from Barbados as slaves to South Carolina. Therefore, I am a mix of African (Barbadian-Black American?), English, Scottish, Amerindian, and possibly Black-Indian , and Irish.
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Post by zemelmete on Dec 11, 2004 17:57:22 GMT -5
I'm part latvian (with some liivi admixture) and part khanty (hanti) after nationality. Actually i'm very proud that I have so interesting and rare ancestry. Latvians are some 2 millions in the world, khanty-30 000 and liivi- only 200.
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Post by Anja on Dec 12, 2004 17:42:19 GMT -5
yeah...i'm from the south. the most recent occasion...i was at a spanish club dancing session, and we were talking about something stupid, and this girl said, "you're white, sort of"...i was confused. my other friend says it might be because my eyes are a little more of an exaggerated almond shape...asian...still, honestly ;D
on some lines i've gotten it back to the 1600s accurately. i'm s'posed to be one of those charlemagne descendents (aren't we all...literally). the french, swiss and dutch are all further back, so i don't typically identify with them...but it's still great to know even if it is centuries back.
ooo...i had some british barbadian ancestors. your pedigree sounds fascinating!
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Post by vela on Dec 12, 2004 18:58:10 GMT -5
(start of message truncated) on some lines i've gotten it back to the 1600s accurately. i'm s'posed to be one of those charlemagne descendents (aren't we all...literally). Good for you, piefke! That's cool. In my tree I have among many others the surname Martel, which I believe is also related to Charlemagne's father, but I still have to uncover and verify a lot of generational steps.
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Post by slick on Dec 12, 2004 22:49:16 GMT -5
Whose pedigree sounds fascinating piefke? I myself am at least 1/16 English. So far, I am at least 3/4 Black, 1/8 White (English, Scottish), and 1/8 Amerindian (Waccamaw-Siouan) from Bladen County, NC.
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