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Post by LuvSpune on Nov 26, 2003 0:17:58 GMT -5
how do y'all feel about it? DOes your country have it? Should it be in the law? Is it right?
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Post by AWAR on Nov 26, 2003 4:39:13 GMT -5
What the hell is it?
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Post by Arawn on Nov 26, 2003 9:23:21 GMT -5
Politicly correct racial discrimination.
Generaly speaking in the US it concerns university admissions.
Typicly some universities will opt to 'boost' people of certain racial backgrounds score so as to make them more likly to be accepted. Likewise some universities like to promote the fact they have student from not one, not two, but *gasp* four colour codes making the campus exciting, rich and diverse bla bla, though they neglect to mention that they often form their own exclusive clubs/socieities etc.
I think its a dumb idea in the long term, even if it can go some way to correcting imbalences caused by historical injustices in the short short term.
Much better to have means tested tution fees support, based on economic background, whilst only allowing people with good grades in.
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Post by gorgeousgal2k on Nov 26, 2003 13:38:12 GMT -5
i think it is necessary in places or professions with a lot of racial tensions and discrimination which traditionally did not offer good opportunities towards minorities. for example i would say it would probably really help in a country where 30% of black people were unemployed compared to about 1% in the overall population.
however too much of it is just ridiculous imo and can actually have the effect of discriminating against the majority population and causing resentment and hatred.
when you have people being turned down for jobs because there white its gone too far imo
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Post by Dienekes on Nov 26, 2003 14:42:36 GMT -5
AA is a form of discrimination in favor of an ethnic group. The lack of AA entails the danger of allowing societal discrimination against an ethnic group. AA is thought of as a temporary solution to the problem of ethnic inequality, but as far as I can see, there is no proposed way out of the AA situation.
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Post by LuvSpune on Nov 27, 2003 0:22:12 GMT -5
yeah I have to say that you cant solve racism with revers-racism
yeah I admit that I harped my "multi-racial" background while applying to school, but only cause it was there
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Post by AWAR on Nov 27, 2003 6:39:18 GMT -5
For example, in our country there are Gypsies as the only visibly distinct minority.
No one prevents them from getting a job, except they themselves. I know, because I have some friends who are 'middle-class' gypsies. They never had a problem in getting a job ( at least not more than Serbs ).
On the other hand, the Gypsies who live in their 'mahala' communes, life is much harder, because their tradition is to go around as beggars etc.
News always mention the attacks of skinheads on Gypsies, but fail to mention that the most Gypsy kids died because their own family chops-off their kids legs and arms ( so they can be 'better' beggars, and cannot run away etc.
Growing up in such conditions effectively prevents the Gypsies from becoming a part of our society. Affirmative action here wouldn't do anything, in the sense of nobody noticing it.
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Post by Sexy Italian Male on Nov 27, 2003 9:22:10 GMT -5
FOR AWAR : What about the numorous ethnic Hungarians in Vojvodina do they have any problems with Serbs and do they study in Hungarian or are they "forced" to learn in Serbian  Just wondering about the rights of ethnic minorities in Serbia. Do you live in Serbia ? |
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Post by Arawn on Nov 27, 2003 10:17:47 GMT -5
One more thing.
In the US, IIRC, 'ethnic minority' is not a mathematic concept, it is a social one. S to many people 'Asian Americans', despite being a minority, are not an ethnic minority.
Never did appreciate Yank newspeak.
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Post by skord on Nov 27, 2003 10:56:23 GMT -5
FOR AWAR : What about the numorous ethnic Hungarians in Vojvodina do they have any problems with Serbs and do they study in Hungarian or are they "forced" to learn in Serbian Just wondering about the rights of ethnic minorities in Serbia. Do you live in Serbia ? Ethnic Hungarians do not have problems with Serbs, probably because they are more civilized than some other ethnic minorities.Serbs make up the majority in Vojvodina. www.serbia.sr.gov.yu"The official language in Serbia is Serbian and the alphabet in official use is Cyrillic, while Latin script is also used. In the areas inhabited by national minorities, the languages and alphabets of the minorities are in official use, as provided by law. The Statute of Vojvodina which is the basic legal act of the province, permits, besides the Serbian language, the official use of four other languages of the largest national minorities: Hungarian, Slovak, Rumanian and Ruthenian. Except for the language, the population differs in religion so that the Serbs, Montenegrins, Rumanians, Roma, Macedonians and Ukrainians are mainly Orthodox. Hungarians, Croats and Ruthenians Catholic while Slovaks are Protestant. There is also a number of Muslims and other smaller religious communities" "According to the 2002 census, there are 1, 135, 393 members of national minorities in Serbia, excluding Kosovo-Metohija. The largest number of national minorities live in the Autonomous Province of Vojvodina - Hungarians (290, 207), Croats (56, 645) Slovaks (56, 637), Romanians (30, 419), Roma (29,057) Backa Croats (19, 766) Ruthenes (15, 626), Macedonians (11, 785), Ukrainians (4, 635), Germans (3, 154), Czechs (1, 648) and others. There are 59, 952 members of national minorities in Central Serbia, and these are: Bosniaks (135, 670), Bulgarians (18, 839), Vlachs (39, 953), Gorani (3, 975), Macedonians (14, 062), Muslims (15, 869), Roma (79, 136), Croats (14, 569) and others. The largest number of ethnic Albanian minority nationals populate the southern Serbian province of Kosovo-Metohija. However, it is difficult to establish their exact number in the province due to a number of reasons, including the fact that the ethnic Albanian minority last took part in the 1981 census, boycotting the one carried out in 1991. Also, armed conflicts, the migration of a high number of Serbs and members of other minorities in the province, as well as the arrival of tens of thousands of Albanians from Albania have largely altered Kosovo-Metohija's ethnic composition." |
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Post by Arawn on Nov 27, 2003 11:35:12 GMT -5
What about those 'goranis' (sp?), are they a distinct small group? Or just mountain Serbs or something?
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Post by Sexy Italian Male on Nov 27, 2003 20:12:40 GMT -5
Ethnic Hungarians do not have problems with Serbs, probably because they are more civilized than some other ethnic minorities.Serbs make up the majority in Vojvodina. www.serbia.sr.gov.yu"The official language in Serbia is Serbian and the alphabet in official use is Cyrillic, while Latin script is also used. In the areas inhabited by national minorities, the languages and alphabets of the minorities are in official use, as provided by law. The Statute of Vojvodina which is the basic legal act of the province, permits, besides the Serbian language, the official use of four other languages of the largest national minorities: Hungarian, Slovak, Rumanian and Ruthenian. Except for the language, the population differs in religion so that the Serbs, Montenegrins, Rumanians, Roma, Macedonians and Ukrainians are mainly Orthodox. Hungarians, Croats and Ruthenians Catholic while Slovaks are Protestant. There is also a number of Muslims and other smaller religious communities" "According to the 2002 census, there are 1, 135, 393 members of national minorities in Serbia, excluding Kosovo-Metohija. The largest number of national minorities live in the Autonomous Province of Vojvodina - Hungarians (290, 207), Croats (56, 645) Slovaks (56, 637), Romanians (30, 419), Roma (29,057) Backa Croats (19, 766) Ruthenes (15, 626), Macedonians (11, 785), Ukrainians (4, 635), Germans (3, 154), Czechs (1, 648) and others. There are 59, 952 members of national minorities in Central Serbia, and these are: Bosniaks (135, 670), Bulgarians (18, 839), Vlachs (39, 953), Gorani (3, 975), Macedonians (14, 062), Muslims (15, 869), Roma (79, 136), Croats (14, 569) and others. The largest number of ethnic Albanian minority nationals populate the southern Serbian province of Kosovo-Metohija. However, it is difficult to establish their exact number in the province due to a number of reasons, including the fact that the ethnic Albanian minority last took part in the 1981 census, boycotting the one carried out in 1991. Also, armed conflicts, the migration of a high number of Serbs and members of other minorities in the province, as well as the arrival of tens of thousands of Albanians from Albania have largely altered Kosovo-Metohija's ethnic composition." Well i can find you many sources with different figures from Hungarian sources but i wont bother... You do know that they claim that land ? |
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Post by skord on Nov 28, 2003 0:36:06 GMT -5
What about those 'goranis' (sp?), are they a distinct small group? Or just mountain Serbs or something? goranci are Serbian moslems. |
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Post by skord on Nov 28, 2003 0:38:29 GMT -5
Well i can find you many sources with different figures from Hungarian sources but i wont bother... You do know that they claim that land ? Don't bother because I do not care what pro-nationalist websites claim.You wanted to know if they are "forced" to speak Serbian and I proved to you that they are not from the official webpage of the Serbian government.They have full rights like everyone else.End of discussion. Istenhozzád! |
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Post by Sexy Italian Male on Nov 28, 2003 4:17:35 GMT -5
Don't bother because I do not care what pro-nationalist websites claim.You wanted to know if they are "forced" to speak Serbian and I proved to you that they are not from the official webpage of the Serbian government.They have full rights like everyone else.End of discussion. Istenhozzád! Easy tigger look how jumpy you get i am just curios... Where do you come from in Serbia ? |
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