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Post by Dienekes on Feb 20, 2004 17:47:08 GMT -5
The message I tried to convey is that Southern Europeans are getting a raw deal by trading in their cultures (plural) for the perceived heritage of many White Nationalists, which revolves around imaginary nomadic warriors who entered Europe from Asia. They are giving away everything for nothing. My post was in reply to Tautalos. I agree with your above statement.
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Post by xxx on Feb 20, 2004 18:00:49 GMT -5
Dienekes, who exactly are you trying to call a barbarian? I expect you be clear and tell us and I hope you are not playing with the word here. And no, telling me that barbaros means foreigner or non Hellenic is not an answer I'll take as satisfactory.
Atermidoros, we don't need those small nationalist shows against one another while we are facing bigger problems. If you want me to, I'll tell you pros and cons for each and every Mediterranean nation. Either we are on a different level or we forget about it all. If we are to behave like Nords, what's the point of saying we are different?
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Post by Artemidoros on Feb 20, 2004 18:06:57 GMT -5
Atermidoros, we don't need those small nationalist shows against one another while we are facing bigger problems. If you want me to, I'll tell you pros and cons for each and every Mediterranean nation. Either we are on a different level or we forget about it all. If we are to behave like Nords, what's the point of saying we are different? Have you ever seen me initiate a conflict against any nation or racial group? Mediterranean or not. I think my response was very moderate considering that somebody saw fit to attack the Greeks for no good reason. I think should redirect your advice elsewhere.
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Post by xxx on Feb 20, 2004 18:21:20 GMT -5
Have you ever seen me initiate a conflict against any nation or racial group? Mediterranean or not. I think my response was very moderate considering that somebody saw fit to attack the Greeks for no good reason. I think should redirect your advice elsewhere. Yes, in part you are right, but only in part. I should have addressed Bluebox1 too. But I think that his words were a reaction to what he felt as a rejection (I did have that feeling). If we start with small nationalisms we will enter on a spiral from which we will not see the end to. One word of advice to everyone. I wouldn't be surprised if some day someone posed as a Mediterranean of one given nation and attacked other Mediterranean nations to create division. A bit paranoid, but we all know this kind of things happen and let's not retaliate without being sure. P.S. On Monday I went in Sagunto and tried to visit Atermisa/Diana's temple. There was scaffolding all over and I couldn't enter. They told me they were doing some restauration works. One should feel happy to hear such a thing, but I honestly do not trust local governments and I am little optimistic. When they are finished I'll get a few pictures whatever the results.
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Post by Artemidoros on Feb 20, 2004 18:35:34 GMT -5
Yes, in part you are right, but only in part. I should have addressed Bluebox1 too. But I think that his words were a reaction to what he felt as a rejection (I did have that feeling). If we start with small nationalisms we will enter on a spiral from which we will not see the end to. One word of advice to everyone. I wouldn't be surprised if some day someone posed as a Mediterranean of one given nation and attacked other Mediterranean nations to create division. A bit paranoid, but we all know this kind of things happen and let's not retaliate without being sure. I don't know who Bluebox is. He might be Italian or not. His statements about the Greeks did remind me of "refined" Nordicism and I remarked on it. I answered trying not to offend Italians or anyone else. The 1940 war I consider a victory against fascism, the first in WW2 and that is how I tried to present it. In any case facts are facts. It is their interpretation that can be offensive and I am not the one who offered such "interpretations". One can only hope for the best. I hope I will be able to visit the area in 2005 or 2006.
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Post by Dienekes on Feb 20, 2004 19:51:44 GMT -5
Dienekes, who exactly are you trying to call a barbarian? I expect you be clear and tell us and I hope you are not playing with the word here. And no, telling me that barbaros means foreigner or non Hellenic is not an answer I'll take as satisfactory. Barbarian is a technical term meaning non-Greek. It is also has a figurative usage meaning something like "savage, uncivilized, un-Greek". Both Greeks and non-Greeks can be barbarian in the second sense. I'd also like to add that Greeks feel no special affinity to Mediterranean people in general, although we do recognize some phenotypical and cultural similarities.
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Post by sonofzeus on Feb 20, 2004 21:37:27 GMT -5
That's right, there are many people who are of Greek blood but,out of Greece and some of them even fight against Greece.Probably they don't know their roots,what and who they are.But it doesn't matter a lot as if you search it a bit more,well,who's not of distant "Greek" _ancestry_?
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Post by Zetaman on Feb 20, 2004 22:26:29 GMT -5
Greeting to my Med brothers and sisters.
Nice and important thread. Somebody mentioned that Meds need to be careful from 'Trojans', people posing as Meds but whose real purpose here is to cause division. Such behavior is easily read since such individual will simply belittle other Meds.
Make no mistake Meds are only people associated racially and culturally with Greco-Roman heritage so Arabs are not part of this as to them Islam is their center of gravity and Arabian peninsula staring point.
As far as I am considered Meds need to dissociate themselves with inferior cultures such as northern barbarians whose race and culture have little if anything to do with Meds (glorious ancient Greeks and Romans referred to these savages as half-men and clearly didn't see any association with those forest people who shared their living space with other forest creatures).
Aryaniasm is nothing more that one big illusion based on lies and has no concrete evidence to back anything up and how would it when it is attempting to unify races which have pretty much nothing in common.
Someone mentioned that Meds are giving up too much by associating themselves with such terms as WN's and this is fully correct for one needs to simply compare the historical deeds of forest people with creators of modern civilization such as ancient Greeks and Romans.
I believe that Meds should create their own union after EU collapses and EU should be used as a tool to reawaken stolen cultural/linquistical Helenism from people of Haimos (Balkans) and Anatolia who for most part either spoke Hellenic or Latin languages prior to barbarian invasions while Roman regions need to cement further their Roman heritage, Roman being the replacement name for Meds since Romans were also called Byzantines. Also Meds of Latin America should gradually multiply starting with Argentina upwards and hopefully create one day a dominant race south of Rio Grande (and nop I could care less about Amerindians since their brothers Mongols/Huns/Turkic Turanids devasted Grecroman regions and caused fall of Roman Empire). I am also of the belief that Northern Grecoroman Africa should be freed of Arabs and given back Romans (west of central Lybia) and Hellenes (east of central Lybia) while many populations there are not even Arabs but former Grecoromans (many Tunisians, Lebanese, Syrians).
Unified we shall overcome and restore greatness of our ancestors while devided we shall perish to inferior cultures which would , in longrun, spell death to human civilization as we know it for we all know who create it and who is unable of carrying on the tourch that was never meant to be for them (just like Olympics werent mean to be played outside Greek world which to me equals Grecoroman, Romans are Greek children, world but that is another topic).
Also the only true religion for Grecoromans and only for Grecoromans is the ancient Grecoromans religion (Greek of course being the original form) and not altered dogmatic semitic imports.
I say let history repeat itself and let it be our guide for without it there is no future, there is no tomorow. Let there be world where Greek light will start the day.
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Post by xxx on Feb 21, 2004 5:06:35 GMT -5
Barbarian is a technical term meaning non-Greek. It is also has a figurative usage meaning something like "savage, uncivilized, un-Greek". Both Greeks and non-Greeks can be barbarian in the second sense. Although I don't speak Greek, I know what it means, and I suspected you were playing with it, as confirmed. Your last sentence does not make for an apology... try that on the average WN forum and it might work, but not for me. I can't see what's the gain of sticking to infantile and chauvinistic small nationalism manners, which are long obsoleted as they are highly inefficient. Never mind, you have your style, it is yours after all. That statement isolates Greeks, but since you stick to it I am forced to believe that you have your reasons for it and, most important, a "Plan B" (don't ask me, I'd rather leave this comment to everyone's personal interpretation). You have a perfect right to narrow your horizon as much as you wish. Atermidoros: I already said that Bluebox's statements, if we are to believe he is Italian, looked more as a reaction than anything else. Personally, I see more of a refined and hidden nordicist-like style in Dienekes's words than in Bluebox's. Don't understimate the adjectives "hidden" and "refined" in my words.
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Post by Dienekes on Feb 21, 2004 5:48:39 GMT -5
Your last sentence does not make for an apology... try that on the average WN forum and it might work, but not for me. I did not offer an apology, I just explained the different usages of the word "barbarian".
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Post by galvez on Feb 21, 2004 5:57:43 GMT -5
Bluebox1 is the real deal. Bluebox1 is a passionate and sensitive Italian. Those are two admirable traits.
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Post by galvez on Feb 21, 2004 6:09:00 GMT -5
Personally, I see more of a refined and hidden nordicist-like style in Dienekes's words than in Bluebox's. Don't understimate the adjectives "hidden" and "refined" in my words. Let me make one thing clear, since Bluebox's character has been questioned: Bluebox has put up strong fights for the Greeks and other Meds in numerous forums in which the Mediterranean peoples have been attacked. Bluebox is a staunch opponent of Nordicism. Bluebox, unlike the vast majority of Nordicists, is a confirmed Nordic of Italian ancestry. Bluebox is known for putting these trolls in their place. Bluebox is the last person who should be attacked in a forum like this. I will leave the infighting to the others.
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Post by xxx on Feb 21, 2004 6:50:49 GMT -5
I did not offer an apology, I just explained the different usages of the word "barbarian". Actually, I didn't mean to say "apology" in a strict sense. But after playing with the word "barbarian" as I suspect you were playing, saying that 'both Greeks and non-Greeks can be barbarian in the second sense' does not, in my view and strong opinion, make up for your previous wording. But anyway, this was just an aside comment on my post, and secondary in importance to the rest.
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Post by xxx on Feb 21, 2004 7:12:04 GMT -5
Let me make one thing clear, since Bluebox's character has been questioned: Bluebox has put up strong fights for the Greeks and other Meds in numerous forums in which the Mediterranean peoples have been attacked. Bluebox is a staunch opponent of Nordicism. I hope you didn't get my words wrong. I do not question Bluebox more than I question anyone else here. I'm probably getting a bit paranoid as to who might be anyone in reality, or if some people might be posing for whatever the reasons. In fact I understand why Bluebox said what he said, and while I see it a bit overdone, I do know there is a good reason for it. To prove it, I said that I see more of a refined and hidden nordicist-like style in Dienekes's words than in Bluebox's. Since Bluebox's comment was in response to Dieneke's, this shows why I find Bluebox's comment to be justified... even if overdone (but not ill intentioned).
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Post by galvez on Feb 21, 2004 7:33:57 GMT -5
I hope you didn't get my words wrong. I do not question Bluebox more than I question anyone else here. I'm probably getting a bit paranoid as to who might be anyone in reality, or if some people might be posing for whatever the reasons. In fact I understand why Bluebox said what he said, and while I see it a bit overdone, I do know there is a good reason for it. To prove it, I said that I see more of a refined and hidden nordicist-like style in Dienekes's words than in Bluebox's. Since Bluebox's comment was in response to Dieneke's, this shows why I find Bluebox's comment to be justified... even if overdone (but not ill intentioned). The way to settle such disputes is to let ideas flow freely. This site is a work in progress where hopefully new ideas can be generated with the best ones accepted and inferior ones discarded. Moreover, a diversity of perspectives is inevitable in this type of forum. There is a dialectical process that takes place here ... an experiment in progress. I for one enjoy your contributions. You are by far one of the more intelligent participants, even if a bit too un-PC (PC being an Anglo-Saxon influence exhibited by some Mediterraneans) for some.
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