An Italian Signed Declaration of Independence

[galvez]

Lately there has been a poorly articulated belief among those who are either Nordicist or have Nordicist tendencies that America was meant to be a Nordic or "Nordish" nation. It never occurs to them that America is named after an Italian and that the first long-term settlements in the present-day U.S. by Europeans were made by Iberians. Saint Augustine, widely thought to be the first U.S. city, was established by Spaniards. The Spaniards, Italians and Frenchmen first explored large parts of the U.S. The Russians too. Well, it turns out that an Italian signed the Declaration of Independence: William Paca.

"William Paca, an Italian, signed the Declaration of Independence in 1776. By 1782 he would become the first Italian American to be elected Governor of a state, in this case Maryland."

www.italian-american.com/paca1.htm

The funny thing about the Nordicists who act like Meds don't belong in America is that they are consciously and subconsciously unaware that the nation they are living in is named after a Med. Thus, I got a good chuckle when a friend of mine asked a Nordicist who claimed Italians are mulattoes: "How does it feel knowing that you live in a country named after a Med?" As AWAR pointed out to me, the Nordicists and quasi-Nordicists tend to have selective memories when it comes to history -- blurting out facts they find convenient, and diminishing or ignoring those they find inconvenient.

Another thing I notice about some of these types, particularly those seething with resentment toward Italians, is that they tend to be low-class and uneducated: the White Nationalist forums are a prime example. You never find an articulate Italian-basher. Another aspect of them is that they tend to attack individuals whose ethnicity they don't like in packs, similar to gangs. Their idea of a "good fight" is to attack an Italian or a Greek 5 or 6 at a time in an online forum.

Then they will sometimes overcompensate by warmly receiving "Slavs," whose relatively depigmented status they seem to relish -- of course, as history points out, sharing a skin tone is hardly the basis of a racial identity, and what tends to happen when Slavs and Germans are allied is that the Slavs are treated second-class. In relations between Slavs and Germans, the Slavs will always be treated as second-class. Once the Slavs begin to defend themselves, they begin to be hated even more than the "swarthy" Southern Europeans (this is a topic of its own!). Because race is oversimplified in America [i.e., "Black vs. White"], many subtleties are ignored by the simple-minded idealists in White Nationalist forums.

The United States of Amerigo.

That's more like it.

[Silveira]

You are correct in stating that "America" and hence the United States of America were named after an Italian man of the sea, Américo Vespucci. However, the historical dynamic which led to the colonization of North America by the French and British in the 17th century was that of the northern European powers taking control of territories at the expense of the Iberian naval powers, who were at that time in a state of decline.

Regarding the Slavs and Germanics, I think most of the Slavs who post on these forums are highly deracinated and appear to place more value on winning opportunistic nods of approval from Germanic neo-nazis than on honouring the memory of the millions of their Slavic kinsmen killed during World War II.

[galvez]

Silveira said:

Regarding the Slavs and Germanics, I think most of the Slavs who post on these forums are highly deracinated and appear to place more value on winning opportunistic nods of approval from Germanic neo-nazis than on honouring the memory of the millions of their Slavic kinsmen killed during World War II.

I agree with the above, and have voiced that viewpoint amply, but I feel the same is true of Mediterraneans. I remember Artemidoros telling Pugnox (a neo-Nazi) that he is not a third-generation Greek-American who can be fooled by his propaganda, and there is certainly a deep truth in this sentiment. I noticed that those with Med heritage who embrace National Socialism or White Nationalism tend to be second-, third-, or even fourth-generation Americans. Many of them are only partially Mediterranean. While it's not made explicit in the White Nationalist movement, "Nordic" is considered better and Mediterraneans are considered as racially tainted (White Nationalists are not too familiar with physical anthropology, and tend to over-rely on early 20th-century racial theories that to a great extent have been debunked, despite some truth to them).

So, what I have noticed among Mediterraneans who embrace White Nationalism is that they tend to overcompensate by praising Nords and defending Nords when fights between Meds and Nords break out. They may even express shock and dismay at Meds defending themselves from attacks, believing that proud Meds who feel absolutely no dependency on Nords and take pride in their group are behaving treacherously and embarrassing the group.

Those who are partially Mediterranean will embrace their non-Mediterranean ancestry and openly put down their Mediterranean ancestry. It's a real shame but some will say, "One of my ancestors was Italian (or whatever), but he was not one of the mud Italians that are so plentiful in Italy."

In other words, the Mediterraneans who join White Nationalists are, like the Slavs, more concerned about getting nods of approval from their "superiors" (and they have internalized this belief that Nords are superior) than in taking genuine pride in what they are and of their heritage.

On the other hand, the Nords don't voice their view explicitly that they are superior and the Meds inferior, because they want as many Meds as possible to join their movement for the sake of inflating numbers and masking the racial inertia among Nordic Americans in modern times. The Meds are being used, and they proudly accept the status of political wenches.

But I firmly believe there is an alternative: Meds must abandon cheap substitutes like White Nationalism and embrace their heritage. With or without Nordics Meds will continue to live and prosper. Miscegenation among Nords with the browns can even be seen as an opportunity by racially aware Meds to plan for their children and grandchildren in a post-Politically Correct era. The disappearance of the Nordic race, if it comes about, can be viewed as a lesson for the Mediterranean peoples should they become too liberalized or complacent with current social and political trends.

Meds need their own representatives. KA Strom and RP Oliver and the other basketcases in the "movement" are not the answer.

[Silveira]

I agree with your treatment of this topic. From what I have read on the various discussion forums, there appear to be relatively few people who identify themselves as Mediterraneans arguementing with pro-nordicist viewpoints. There may however be a number of "mediterraneans in denial" or people who don´t even state openly that they have ancestry from the more " dubious " countries of Europe.

[caucasoid]

The funny thing about the Nordicists who act like Meds don't belong in America is that they are consciously and subconsciously unaware that the nation they are living in is named after a Med.

The word America is quite possibly named after the English discoverer Richard Amerycke. Nobody has proven which of the two it refers to.