The Scordisci

[skord]

After the migration into Greece had failed, many thousands of Celts poured back into central Europe to find land to settle.The Scordisci ,a branch of the Celtic tribe Boi,led by chieftan Bathanatos permanently inhabited the areas of the Morava river, Belgrade, and between the Mouth of Drava river and Danube after their defeat at Delphi (278-279 BC).Ancient geographers divided them into Greater Scordisci (in the Sava R area up to the Morava R) and the Lesser Scordisci (E of the Morava R). Also,some Roman authorities considered them a Thracian stock.

As a fortified settlement, Singidunum(modern Belgrade) was mentioned for the first time in 279 B.C. The first part of the word - Singi - means "round" and dunum means "fortress" or "town". There are almost no traces about that Celtic town, except the necropolises found at the Karaburma and Rospi Cuprija locations. These contained valuable artistic artifacts, that belong to the warriors of the Scordiscan tribe. A considerable Celtic cultural influences have been woven into the spiritual culture of the Singidunum inhabitants, and later mixed with Roman classical cultural elements.The Romans conquered Singidunum and the surrounding areas in the beginning of the I century A.D. According to historians, it took over 300 years for the Romans to fully 'romanize' the Scordisci.

[HINDI]

which people were the original Kelts?

[AWAR]

Kelts never were a single sub-race people. Most of them probably were a sort of sub-nordic ( nordic+alpine ) type who gradually mixed with Dinarics and formed a Keltic-Nordic type.

[Artemisia]

I read in a few books about ancient history that the Scordisci were Celticized Illyrians. I guess they were wrong? The thing about the upper Balkans is that there were various mixed tribes so there is a good possibility that there were mixed communities of Thraco-Illyro-Celts.
Oh, and by the way, which Thracian tribe was Spartacus from? Was it the Odrysii?

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Artemisia said:

I read in a few books about ancient history that the Scordisci were Celticized Illyrians. I guess they were wrong? The thing about the upper Balkans is that there were various mixed tribes so there is a good possibility that there were mixed communities of Thraco-Illyro-Celts.
Oh, and by the way, which Thracian tribe was Spartacus from? Was it the Odrysii?

Funny,apparently everyone "icized" these so called "Illyirans" who were just a bunch of different tribes. I don't believe that "Scordisci" was their proper name,it sounds too Latinized. I believe that Spartacus was a Medi.

[Artemidoros]

Artemisia said:

Oh, and by the way, which Thracian tribe was Spartacus from? Was it the Odrysii?

I don't know but the Bulgarians say he came from Sandanski, a spa town very close to the Greek border. If that is correct maybe he belonged to the Maedi or the Satrae.

[Artemidoros]

BTW does anybody know which tribe Aesop came from?

[Artemisia]

Artemidoros said:

I don't know but the Bulgarians say he came from Sandanski, a spa town very close to the Greek border. If that is correct maybe he belonged to the Maedi or the Satrae.

Is it's near the Greek border area, near Orestiada, then he was from the Odrysian tribe. He was probably Greek-speaking.......Spartacus is most likely a Greek name.

[Artemisia]

Artemidoros said:

BTW does anybody know which tribe Aesop came from?

It is not certain whether Aesop was Thracian. Various historians said that he was Lydian, Phrygian, Ethiopian, Pelasgian or Greek. Aristotle says that he came from the town of Mesembria in Thrace and this town was actually a Greek colony.

[Artemidoros]

Artemisia said:

Is it's near the Greek border area, near Orestiada, then he was from the Odrysian tribe. He was probably Greek-speaking.......Spartacus is most likely a Greek name.

No, it is just north of Serres in the Strymon (Struma) valley.
There are indications that he did have knowledge of Greek. Most of his followers were from the eastern parts of the empire and they headed south, where they would get support amongst the Greek speaking population. The German gladiators split and tried their luck with the Roman army separately. Twice I think, unsuccessfully.