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Post by alex221166 on Nov 26, 2003 21:21:51 GMT -5
Just a few hours ago, I saw an interesting program in the History Channel about Atlantis, and the different places where that civilisation might have been localised.
Crete, a Bolivian plain, Antartica (1000 meters beneath the ice), the Azores, the Bahamas, all were presented as likely candidates.
From what I know, Atlantis could well have been the Minoan civilisation. There are many things about the Minoans and the Atlanteans that don't match up, but then again Plato wrote at a time when both (?) civilisations were long gone.
I don't find likely to have been some sort of lost continent between South America and Africa. However, traces of cocaine were found in Egyptian mummies, suggesting trade between Africa and South America, and it can't be expected that the Phoenicians could have crossed the Atlantic to South America and returned back to Africa in a Copper or Bronze Age ship.
What do you think? To me, Crete is the obvious choice.
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Post by Dienekes on Nov 26, 2003 21:29:44 GMT -5
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Post by Artemisia on Nov 26, 2003 22:21:27 GMT -5
The newest theory is that Cyprus was Atlantis. Check this out: observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1051177,00.html I too believe that Atlantis is somehow connected with the Minoan civilization. Whether it was in Crete or Thera no one can say but it is indeed the strongest claim.
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Post by LuvSpune on Nov 27, 2003 0:27:51 GMT -5
I dont even believe in Atalantis
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Post by herrx on Dec 11, 2003 21:40:50 GMT -5
I heard something about some ancient statues in South America with caucasian and semite features...
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Post by Artemisia on Dec 11, 2003 22:47:26 GMT -5
I heard something about some ancient statues in South America with caucasian and semite features... Are you talking about the huge statues in Bolivia? Nah, this is all foolish wishing! Besides, it is unlikely that the Atlantids, if they did exist, had anything to do with Semites.
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Post by caucasoid on Dec 12, 2003 9:41:56 GMT -5
Are you talking about the huge statues in Bolivia? Nah, this is all foolish wishing! Besides, it is unlikely that the Atlantids, if they did exist, had anything to do with Semites. Whatever mignt be the reason, there are pictres in America of bearded foreigners. This must somehow be explained.
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Post by Melnorme on Dec 12, 2003 10:08:00 GMT -5
Whatever mignt be the reason, there are pictres in America of bearded foreigners. This must somehow be explained. Ainu-like proto-Mongoloids?
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Post by caucasoid on Dec 12, 2003 12:24:42 GMT -5
Ainu-like proto-Mongoloids? Perhaps. But theres also no reason why there shouldn't have been a crossing from the other way from a culture such as the Norse, Celts, Greeks or Phoenicians. Maybe the clothing of the figures should be compared to those of such various cultures to see if they can be matched. If the ancestry of most modern Amerindians is proto-mongoloid/eurarctic/proto-asiatic/arctic-caucasoid but they are hairless, then perhaps they had lost facial hair before entering the Americas or soon after. So I would be cautious about linking these bearded figures to Kennewick.
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Post by Satyros on Dec 16, 2003 5:01:24 GMT -5
Concerning Atlantis, i believe the most possible explanation is the Azores one, but i can not get the Minoan civilisation completely out of my mind too.
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Post by galvez on Dec 25, 2003 23:25:31 GMT -5
Lately I have been reading Spain: The Root and the Flower, by John A. Crow, and I found something interesting:
"In Grecian literature the early history of Spain is mentioned frequently. Plato in Timaeus refers to the lost civilization of Atlantis, and Strabo mentions it in his famous geography. A modern writer Edwin Bjorkman has made a good case for placing Atlantis at or near the present-day Cadiz in Spain (26)."
I don't subscribe to this theory but I thought I'd post it since it is related to this thread. At least there is one more theory to ponder.
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Post by Kukul-Kan on Dec 26, 2003 18:41:52 GMT -5
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Post by herrx on Dec 27, 2003 0:53:38 GMT -5
They should have some caucasian admixture.
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Post by Kukul-Kan on Dec 27, 2003 10:09:40 GMT -5
They should have some caucasian admixture. Not really. The Motilón man was part of a complete bearded tribe that has been described ever since the Spaniards found them on the shores of the Tukutú River. Here’s a quote from Les origins del’homme américain by P. Rivet : On the other hand, the travelers have pointed out several times the presence of bearded Amerindians among their populations, without being the product of racial mix with the White invaders.As for the Chichimeca Jonaz, I took him from the website of the Bureau in charge of Amerindian affairs in Mexico so I doubt he is a Mestizo because of it and because he doesn’t even look like one either . Plus,If you notice he doesn’t have a complete beard nor the straight shape of it is found among most Caucasoid populations.
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Post by caucasoid on Dec 30, 2003 2:01:37 GMT -5
[/img] Or this Chichimeca Jonaz from central Mexico. ini.gob.mx/monografias/chich05.jpg [/img] [/quote] This is intresting. Perhaps it is admixture with the people who brought the Australoid phenotype into the Americas, where it is found as admixture aong the Fuegians, in Minas Gerais and I think elsewhere. I know there are a bearded, dark tribe in the Andes region (I think) called the Sorioro.
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