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Post by dukeofpain on Dec 24, 2005 0:51:58 GMT -5
One thing I have to point out is that Cubans are not descendants of the original inhabitants of the island. A good portion are descendants of Spaniards and, as far as I know, don't have a negative view of their "cousins" in Spain. The blacks and those who are mixed were subjugated and exploited. Also, it wasn't in honor of Christianity. It was economic. Christianity was always secondary. Right, just like Yanks didn't have a "negative view" of their cousins in red coats... Why am I not suprised....
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Post by anodyne on Dec 24, 2005 1:10:10 GMT -5
umm.. during a war.. yes... afterwards, no
I'm always treated with respect by white Cubans. They treat me as one of their own. The reason why (which, if you knew you wouldn't stated what you did) is because most white cubans have a strong family connection to Spain. You see.. after the Spanish- American War there was a wave of Spanish immigrants to Cuba. Mostly from Northern Spain.
umm... you think the sentiment of American colonials exists today over two hundred years after the war of independence and almost two hundred years after the war 1812?
Yes, speaking of topics I know of shouldn't surprise you. But your lack of knowledge of Cuban history doesn't surprise me considering you have proven to know very little of historical events in general.
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Post by dukeofpain on Dec 24, 2005 4:03:01 GMT -5
umm.. during a war.. yes... afterwards, no I'm always treated with respect by white Cubans. They treat me as one of their own. The reason why (which, if you knew you wouldn't stated what you did) is because most white cubans have a strong family connection to Spain. You see.. after the Spanish- American War there was a wave of Spanish immigrants to Cuba. Mostly from Northern Spain. umm... you think the sentiment of American colonials exists today over two hundred years after the war of independence and almost two hundred years after the war 1812? Yes, speaking of topics I know of shouldn't surprise you. But your lack of knowledge of Cuban history doesn't surprise me considering you have proven to know very little of historical events in general. I had posted a message addressed to someone else about how the Spanish weren't the exemplary moral people regarding their colonial and imperialist policy, that Mr dark was portraying them as being. By expressing how Cubans would have a different take on this altruistic foreign policy he was claiming Spain had. And what do you post? some BS about how you felt you must take it upon yourself to humbly set straight my err by pointing out that "Cubans aren't descendants of natives" rather Spaniards themselves. Which has absolutely nothing to do with Cubans being able to vouch for the Spanish as not being the wholesome Christians that the poster was portraying. Yet, there it is. It is just like all your other pompous scribes. You address something in my posts that has no real significance just so you can lure me into your abyss of arrogant nonsense, that you incessantly refer to as you "destroying" or "schooling" me. It's anything but. It's madness that you most likely need for the twisted self-esteem issues you have. I stopped posting in response to your bunk, and if you had any sense you'd stop posting the bunk.
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Post by anodyne on Dec 24, 2005 5:38:23 GMT -5
Oh, I didn't realize you were having a private conversation with Mr. Dark. I thought this was a public forum.
This is the problem. You state that Cubans today may havea different take on Spain. Okay, which Cubans? the black Cubans? Yes. The white Cubans? no, considering the bulk of white Cubans trace recent family ties to Spain. How does a significant portion of the Cuban population feel antagonism towards a nation that they did not suffer under? these aren't Amerindians or African slaves suffering from the heel of a European oppressor. These ARE descendants of European oppressors. So your claim was foolish.
You used a poor example. If you had said Mexicans or Peruvians it would have been better. Choosing Cubans was a poor example since a large portion of Cubans are Spaniards and weren't oppressed. If you had said black Cubans I wouldn't have said anything but you made no distinction, which is silly considering those blacks were dominated by Spaniards who who happened to be born in Cuba. (A bit redundant but I have no choice... flash cards would be the last resort)
um, are you done? you chose a poor example and I pointed it out. It would be wrong of me not to have. I didn't even make any comment towards you when I posted it so calm down.
You seem to have a persecution complex.
Since when has facts been considered bunk? If anything I have said is not factual feel free to point it out.
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Post by dukeofpain on Dec 24, 2005 6:21:03 GMT -5
..........This is the problem. You state that Cubans today may havea different take on Spain............. lie ( P ) Pronunciation Key (l) n. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood. straw man ( P ) Pronunciation Key n. An argument or opponent set up so as to be easily refuted or defeated. Description of Red Herring: A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. jac·ti·ta·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (jkt-tshn) n. A false boasting or claim, especially one detrimental to the interests of another.
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Post by anodyne on Dec 26, 2005 1:37:58 GMT -5
Ignorance: Ignorance is a lack of knowledge, or a willful lack of desire to improve the efficiency, merit, effectiveness or usefulness of one's actions. Ignorance is also a "state of being ignorant" or unaware (not knowing).
Unlike yourself I'm aware of the history of Cuba. So my statement has more value than yours. You weren't aware that the large poportion of Cubans were whites and a large portion of those whites have recent family ties with Spain. To use both Mexico and Cuba as examples is beyond stupid considering their histories are quite different from each other.
You can't refute what I stated because you're ignorant of Cubans and Cuban history. That's why you resort to being Mr. Dictionary instead of discussing Cuban history.
heh, I agreed with your overall argument, you fool. I simply didn't agree with your example.
Let me help you out with your vocabulary:
nes·cience - Absence of knowledge or awareness; ignorance.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Dec 26, 2005 1:48:24 GMT -5
Anodyne Cuba is far from majority White as Whites only makeup 35% of the population there.Cuba is closer to the Dominican Republic racial wise than it is to Spain.By the way have you ever seen the racial makeup of the Cuban volleyball team both female and male,they hardly resembled Iberians.
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Post by anodyne on Dec 26, 2005 1:53:27 GMT -5
Tony, I said a large proportion of Cubans are white. And when I say Cubans I also include Cubans who live outside of Cuba. The vast majority of those that left Cuba were white. By the way have you ever seen the racial makeup of the Cuban volleyball team both female and male,they hardly resembled Iberians. No, but I wouldn't be surprised if blacks and people of mixed race made up the team.
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Post by OdinofOssetia on Dec 28, 2005 16:12:18 GMT -5
Lol, an incorrect belief Anti americanism in Latin America can be traced to many concrete events, like the mexican american war, the 98 spanish american war, the involvement of the americans in dismembering Great Colombia (creating Panama) so that the americans could build themselves the canal, economic imperialism in the central america "banana republics" , see "United Fruit", with even military occupation, and the support for right wing military dictatorships during all the "cold war", see any latin american country, see Allende, School of the Americas. You're not too much better off. The mestizo nations, patricualrly the nations with mestizo/indian gov't are letting their fangs show, they hate the spanish and are begining to disown their european heritage rather than indian, which was always the case before. On acount of the self-hate the catholic church inculcated. Notice any news report of "anti-chavez protestors" are almost entirely european in origin. Whereas the pro chavez are largely mestizo. Of course you won't see the pro-chavez rallys in Americas honest and equal media philosophy. After all America, and hence american media, doesn't recognize regimes that come to power by violence...... Unless you're a jew or an american. He's spoke of the conquistidors genocide, which he described as behaving worse than nazis, which he was probably right about. He also said Columbus Day be renamed the "Day of Indian Resistance." He even attacked the name, like "America" and "Venezuela," because they were chosen by White people and are words from languages spoken and originated by White people. I guess he never saw the irony of the fact that he was speaking in Spanish at the time. Nevermind his own name. mestizo nationalism, who would've thought. Bull-shit, many Whites also support Chavez, and his concern for the Europeans' past genocides is very understandable. PS - I can't believe all the laundering of Spaniards that is going on here.
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Post by anodyne on Dec 28, 2005 16:26:20 GMT -5
First of all, whites are a racial minority in Venezuela. Second of all, many of those whites are recent immigrants or are children of those immigrants and middle class. Third, the middle class are against Chavez since he's bad for business. Fourth, it's hard to claim that Spaniards attempted genoicde against Amerindians when Latin America has a large population of Amerindians and people of mostly Amerindian stock. The large majority of Amerinidans who died were because of European diseases. It's not the fault of Spaniards/Portugese that Amerindians had no way to combat foreign diseases that they had no immunity to. It's not genocide if the intention to wipe out a population wasn't there. Consider the fact that Amerinidans were rounded up to work on land and you'd see this genocide theory is faulty.
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Post by Siafu X on Dec 28, 2005 20:34:32 GMT -5
i read somewhere most of the wealthy elites of Latin America were of middle-east origin like the richiest man in mexico Selim something.
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Post by dukeofpain on Dec 28, 2005 20:57:44 GMT -5
You're not too much better off. The mestizo nations, patricualrly the nations with mestizo/indian gov't are letting their fangs show, they hate the spanish and are begining to disown their european heritage rather than indian, which was always the case before. On acount of the self-hate the catholic church inculcated. Notice any news report of "anti-chavez protestors" are almost entirely european in origin. Whereas the pro chavez are largely mestizo. Of course you won't see the pro-chavez rallys in Americas honest and equal media philosophy. After all America, and hence american media, doesn't recognize regimes that come to power by violence...... Unless you're a jew or an american. He's spoke of the conquistidors genocide, which he described as behaving worse than nazis, which he was probably right about. He also said Columbus Day be renamed the "Day of Indian Resistance." He even attacked the name, like "America" and "Venezuela," because they were chosen by White people and are words from languages spoken and originated by White people. I guess he never saw the irony of the fact that he was speaking in Spanish at the time. Nevermind his own name. mestizo nationalism, who would've thought. Bull-shit, many Whites also support Chavez, and his concern for the Europeans' past genocides is very understandable. PS - I can't believe all the laundering of Spaniards that is going on here. and you, a lechistanian would know, why?
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