Sheik Ahmed Yassin Assassinated

[Berter]

caucasoid said:

Maternal lineages do suggest the continuity of most Jews, including the Palestinians, who converted to Islam. The exception I know is the Jews of the Arabian peninsula, but there is still an genetic Jewish component there, from the male ancestors.

Maternal lineages also show something else about the other Jews.

Jews have genetic links with the Kurds, which seems unexpected, since Kurds are Armenid and Indo-European speaking, while Palestine is Orientalid and tought of as Semitic speaking.

But this can be explained by the Armenid (and Hurrian and Indo-European) element that contributed to the Apiru. Isn't this interesting?

Discussions about Jews are always interesting!....
May be kurds are an Indo-Europeanized semitic people...!?..
I have also read an article where it is stated that classical hebrews were asian greeks...
www.grecoreport.com/hebrew_is_greek.htm

[Melnorme]

caucasoid said:

Jews have genetic links with the Kurds, which seems unexpected, since Kurds are Armenid and Indo-European speaking, while Palestine is Orientalid and tought of as Semitic speaking.

I think some of the old anthropologists grossly oversimplified the racial types of the Middle East. The truth is that even the Palestinians, though mostly dolichocephalic, don't look like true 'Orientalids'.

Compare these nomadic Bedouins of Arabian stock, from the Negev desert...
www.mopane.com/images/images/ROLL2069.jpg
and these sedentary Palestinian Arab rappers from Lod.
www.tam.co.il/8_11_2002/images/tamer_nafer.jpg

[Artemidoros]

Israel is a legal entity, according to international law and the UN. Their occupation of territories outside their internationally recognised borders is illegal and so are the settlements.
There can be only one solution. The creation of a Palestinian state. A compromise that no side is going to like but the alternative is perpetual bloodbath.

[Artemidoros]

Berter said:

I have also read an article where it is stated that classical hebrews were asian greeks...
www.grecoreport.com/hebrew_is_greek.htm

That site is an extreme right wing one and it includes people with Nazi sympathies. No surprise it gives info based on the work of charlatans. I am not saying there was no Greek input in that area but no, Abraham was not Greek

[caucasoid]

Artemidoros said:

There is genetic, anthropological and Biblical evidence that links Jews and the Zagros mountains in Kurdistan. I think the original Jews were speaking a Caucasian language and were Semitized during their wanderings.

The Hebrews are thought to be the Apiru, or the Hyksos expelled by the Pharaohs.

A large component of them were Hurrians. Hurrians had an Indo-European influence but were speakng (what seems to be) a North Caucasian language. Although there was an Indo-European element among them.

On leaving Egypt, they would have adopted a West Semitic language.

[Melnorme]

caucasoid said:

The Hebrews are thought to be the Apiru, or the Hyksos expelled by the Pharaohs.

Thought by whom?

[caucasoid]

Melnorme said:

I think some of the old anthropologists grossly oversimplified the racial types of the Middle East. The truth is that even the Palestinians, though mostly dolichocephalic, don't look like true 'Orientalids'.

Since Palestinians are Jews, I would expect them to have Apiru (Hurrian and Indo-European) admixture from the north. But the European Jews have inherited more obvious Apiru descent, because of their ancestry.

[Melnorme]

caucasoid said:

Since Palestinians are Jews, I would expect them to have Apiru (Hurrian and Indo-European) admixture from the north. But the European Jews have inherited more obvious Apiru descent, because of their ancestry.

Um, okay. But Palestinians are also still darker than the Arabs that live to the north of them in Lebanon and Syria and probably Northern Iraq. Are those also 'Semiticized Apiru Indo-Europeans/Caucasians?'

[caucasoid]

Melnorme said:

Thought by whom?

The word is almost the same, and it fits with Exodus. I do know that this is questioned, but it fits with the genetic and physical evidence as well as with scripture.

[caucasoid]

Melnorme said:

Um, okay. But Palestinians are also still darker than the Arabs that live to the north of them in Lebanon and Syria and probably Northern Iraq. Are those also 'Semiticized Apiru Indo-Europeans/Caucasians?'

But Lebanese and Syrians aren't Arabs, they just speak Arabic. Or are you referring to the Bedouins there?

I wouldn't be surprised if there was an Egyptian Fellahin element in Palestinians, if they were in Egypt. Could this be a possible source for this darkness?

[Melnorme]

caucasoid said:

But Lebanese and Syrians aren't Arabs, they just speak Arabic. Or are you referring to the Bedouins there?

They are just as 'Arab' ( and see themselves as such ) as any Arabic speaker who lives in the tinted areas of this map.

www.thirteen.org/heritagedvd/maps/romeNE.jpg

[caucasoid]

Melnorme said:

They are just as 'Arab' ( and see themselves as such ) as any Arabic speaker who lives in the tinted areas of this map.

www.thirteen.org/heritagedvd/maps/romeNE.jpg

Arab refers to a language. Unless someone is a Bedouin, they are not an authentic "Arab". Genetically the Bedouins are fairly distinct, from their neighbours.

[Melnorme]

caucasoid said:

Arab refers to a language. Unless someone is a Bedouin, they are not an authentic "Arab". Genetically the Bedouins are fairly distinct, from their neighbours.

Well, okay...we'll go by that. Let me lay down my views.

'Original Israelites' emerge from the Middle Eastern cradle of civilization. With their unique religion, they remain relatively immune to more dominant cultures of the time, and eventually anybody who hasn't become a Jew at one point or another, has been Hellenized by Greco-Roman civilization. As I've noted before, Jews constituted 10% of the Roman Empire's population and 25% of the Eastern Mediterranean portion of the Empire, in the first century AD. These large figures hardly suggest a group that has already been 'closed' to outsiders for many years. Becoming a Jew may have been the only choice for small 'Canaanite'-oriented groups who wished to remain distinct from Greco-Roman culture.

www.orthohelp.com/geneal/popul.HTM

Relevant GNXP thread - www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/001725.html

The racial implications of this are : a multitude of Near/Middle Eastern physical types in the phenotypes of modern Jews, none of which can be conclusively proven to be the 'true Israelite type', as of yet.

[caucasoid]

Melnorme said:

Well, okay...we'll go by that. Let me lay down my views.

You're views are possible and they make sense. But, I still doubt it.

I do agree with you, that there isn't a true "Israelite" type, but because all populations in Israel and Palestine are of mixed descent from Armenids and Orientalids.