Why do whites hate blacks so much?

[Igu]

-IMO, The main reason of the racism towards Blacks is aesthetics,
-I have to agree with Berter, N.Africans are more racist than europeans, however they assimilate Blacks more easily.

[wadad]

drooperdoo said:

Berter is 100% right. Read The Arabian Nights which was written centuries before Europeans took black slaves. In this world-famous work of literature blacks are described--by Arabs--as lazy, shiftless and lusting after white women. (They're also described as having larger genitalia.)

It's funny, reading the opinions of another culture about sub-Saharans. It's scary that so many of the same attributes assigned to them arose independently in two different cultures.

[The whole plot ofThe Arabian Nights turns on a king whose wife cheated on him with a black slave. He's going to cut off her head for the insult, but she manages to stay alive night after night by telling him stories with cliffhangers. Thus we are treated to 100s of interconnected tales.]

'The Arabian Nights' was compiled and translated by Richard Burton in 1850, with Euro slavery well established.
The Thousand and One Nights (alf layla wa layla) owes its origins to three distinct cultures and storytelling traditions: that of India, Persia and the Arab world...While chroniclers maintain that the tales were derived from a Persian book of folk tales called, 'Hazarafsaneh' (A Thousand Stories), however the exact origins of The Arabian Nights is not certain and academic opinions are divided. The copy Im assumming you read, is the only English translation we have of it. The racism in it, like the racism of Richard Burton is a product of his time. In mystic Persian symbolism, black represents evil, white = pure. OTOH mystic color symbolism of some Islamic Sufis includes Black Light as the second most sacred color, only exceeded by emerald, the color of Eternal Light...mix this with Islamic traditions of Genies and Demons (Jinn and Ifreet in Arabic) and some bad jinnis are black, there are also plenty of white slaves in the stories and jinnis come in various colors.

The prime mistake you make, drooperdoo is assuming too much, for example, the Arabian nights characterizes women as debauched and corrupted ones, and not the negro slaves...Its not the Black Slave who solicits the woman to commit the illicit deed, but the other way around, and the betrayed Sultan lament at women-kind's perversions, and not their Black Slave's lust. Read this excerpt about a Princess summoning a black slavel, from ''the Tale of the possessed Prince":
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She kissed the earth before him, and he raised his head so as to see her and said: "Woe to thee! What call hadst thou to stay away all this time? Here have been with me sundry of the black brethren, who drank their wine and each had his young lady, and I was not content to drink because of thine absence." Then she: "O my lord, my heart's love and coolth of my eyes, knowest thou not that I am married to my cousin, whose very look I loathe, and hate myself when in his company? And did not I fear for thy sake, I would not let a single sun arise before making his city a ruined heap wherein raven should croak and howlet hoot, and jackal and wolf harbor and loot- nay, I had removed its very stones to the back side of Mount Kaf." Rejoined the slave: "Thou liest, damn thee! Now I swear an oath by the valor and honor of blackamoor men (and deem not our manliness to be the poor manliness of white men), from today forth if thou stay away till this hour, I will not keep company with thee nor will I glue my body with thy body. Dost play fast and loose with us, thou cracked pot, that we may satisfy thy dirty lusts, O vilest of the vile whites?"

When I heard his words, and saw with my own eyes what passed between these two wretches, the world waxed dark before my face and my soul knew not in what place it was. But my wife humbly stood up weeping before and wheedling the slave, and saying: "O my beloved, and very fruit of my heart, there is none left to cheer me but thy dear self, and, if thou cast me off, who shall take me in, O my beloved, O light of my eyes?" And she ceased not weeping and abasing herself to him until he deigned be reconciled with her...
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[Drooperdoo]

Wadad,
I'm surprised that a mind as lofty as yours is drawn into a debate as silly and jejune as this one. As admittedly intelligent as you are, you might have fallen into error in two places: Firstly, you incorrectly are trying to convey the impression that the subject of "black slaves" is only mentioned once. You provide a quote, hoping no one else has read the work and knows that blacks are mentioned and stereotyped dozens of times throughout the book. So it's not a question of "one quote, taken from the beginning of the classic". Secondly, you're implying that Sir Richard Burton invented the portions about Arab views of sub-Saharan Africans. You boldly said something to the effect of: It was translated in the 19th Century by an Englishman who was well-acquainted with European slave-culture. Your implication is that all the portions where blacks are referred to or stereotyped were interpolated sinisterly by an evil European.
Nothing could be more dishonest and you know it!

Surely you can use your big brain to do something better than this sort of casuistry--like solving some equation or writing a play.

[Drooperdoo drops into an obnoxious and mincing 19th Century upper-class British accent, a la Sir Richard Burton and says pointedly:] "Good day to you, sir!"

[wadad]

LOL, yep its all because of Burton and his orientalist prejudice..thats what Im claiming, someone like Richard Burton, though astute and well travelled, was still clouded in Victorian prejudice. He's the same guy who referred to modern Egyptians as "whitewashed niggers,"

And I can provide many more quotes in the Arabian nights, where the threat is always the women's sexuality, and its their vanity that is associated with diabolic powers, demons, jinnis and so on.

But beyond the Arabian Nights, at its lowest denominator there is a general aesthatic dislike for Blacks, (like Igu said) but not at all like you claim.

It's scary that so many of the same attributes assigned to them arose independently in two different cultures.

If thats the case, where is the equivalent of the romances of Antara bin Shadad the Black Arab...Antara is a remarkable character; his saga was recited in Arab squares and coffeehouses for centuries. He was so noble, brave and courageous that even the Prophet Muhammad is reported to have expressed a wish to have known him. When Westerners first encountered the Antar epic in the 19th century, they swooned, proclaiming the work to be the Arabic "Iliad"

[Drooperdoo]

Wadad,
I'm not surprised that Burton referred to Egyptians as "whitewashed niggers" because Victorian ethnologists had all sorts of retarded theories about the Irish and Welsh being "whitewashed Africans". Someone posted articles on this website from a 19th Century ethnologist who was really saying that--and saying it in universities, with respectful students.

That attitude toward the Irish is precisely why they were treated so abominably by the British. In the United States, Irishwomen were bred with negroes because they weren't "fit to marry whites". There's a whole book on the subject called How the Irish Became White.

It's just astonishing to us in the modern age to realize how insane the British were--how they excluded from the white race not only Egyptians, Irishmen, Welshmen, but also Italians, Spaniards, and--astonishingly--Germans.*

* See Ben Franklin's comments on how Germany wasn't a "white country". Apparently he saw Dinarics and honey-hewn Alpines, and from that concluded that Germans "were no more capable of adopting our language or culture than they are of adopting our complexion." --Just an astonishing mixture of stupidity and bigotry. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whites

[Toasty]

sym said:

I think Melani teased Toasty because he's a Mexican-American (an ethnic group not much better off than African-Americans), not because of whatever he may look like. Maybe I'm wrong, but Drooperdoo seems to be reading way too much into it.

Nah, Melani was sorta semi-trolling a bit, I do it sometimes (it was fun on RAS) , I don't mind being called a mestizo. Infact, I will always be completely non white to most euroamericans and pretty much all other ethnicities simply because of the fact that I have a spanish name.

I work with a pretty swarthy greek guy, he's white, not me though, I'm just your average 6'7'' lightskinned grass cutter.

[Drooperdoo]

Toasty,
If you're not white than Johnny Depp isn't, nor Winston Churchill, Herbert Hoover, George W. Bush, actress Kim Basinger, etc.
All have Amerindian ancestry.
The greatest proof of your true Caucasoid nature is the fact that, if you changed your name to Francois Merchand, and someone spotted you in Southern France, you'd excite no more attention than Antonio Banderas would in Italy.
If you deny 98% of your ancestry because of the 2%, then I'm afraid you're going to be just another person adding to the long list of historical stupidities--like when the English didn't consider the Irish "white" or when Ben Franklin said that Germans were a different race.
Don't do it.
Winston Churchill was white and so are you.

[Toasty]

drooperdoo said:

Toasty,
If you're not white than Johnny Depp isn't, nor Winston Churchill, Herbert Hoover, George W. Bush, actress Kim Basinger, etc.
All have Amerindian ancestry.
The greatest proof of your true Caucasoid nature is the fact that, if you changed your name to Francois Merchand, and someone spotted you in Southern France, you'd excite no more attention than Antonio Banderas would in Italy.
If you deny 98% of your ancestry because of the 2%, then I'm afraid you're going to be just another person adding to the long list of historical stupidities--like when the English didn't consider the Irish "white" or when Ben Franklin said that Germans were a different race.
Don't do it.
Winston Churchill was white and so are you.

Whoa, Droop I was only joking around. I was making allude to perceptions some people have about who is what and who is not something.

[nockwasright]

berther said:

nockwasright said:

this doesn't work, Asian are the most different and more secluded from society (more resistent to acculturation) but also the more appreciated. It's just a problem of ball breaking degree.

Are they more appreciated than Eastern Europeans!?.

Yes. I mean if the average Italian had to choose his neighbours among immigrants he would probably go like this:

China
India/Sri Lanka
SSA
Northern African - Eastern European

as an inverse function of the propensity to violent crime/being a general nuisance.

If he had to marry a foreigner, however, the chart would change (probably you could just put it upside down). So the problem is not as easy as seems.

That's just how things goes, imho, please no offence by anyone. I look a NA myself, I've been called Moroccan a thousand times in my life.

[eufrenio]

igu said:

-IMO, The main reason of the racism towards Blacks is aesthetics,
-.

Can you elaborate? And why do think North Africans are less popular than Blacks in Europe? Is it aesthetics too?

I have to agree with Berter, N.Africans are more racist than europeans, however they assimilate Blacks more easily

How do they do it?

[eufrenio]

nockwasright said:

berther said:

Are they more appreciated than Eastern Europeans!?.

Yes. I mean if the average Italian had to choose his neighbours among immigrants he would probably go like this:

China
India/Sri Lanka
SSA
Northern African - Eastern European

as an inverse function of the propensity to violent crime/being a general nuisance.

If he had to marry a foreigner, however, the chart would change (probably you could just put it upside down). So the problem is not as easy as seems.

That's just how things goes, imho, please no offence by anyone. I look a NA myself, I've been called Moroccan a thousand times in my life.

Well, in Spain the Chinese have a very bad reputation as neighbours. And Roumanians and Poles are preferred over any other group. It depends on which kind of Eastern Europeans you refer to?

[Ewig Berter]

eufrenio said:

And why do think North Africans are less popular than Blacks in Europe?

The question is not directed to me, but ... Well, if I were Mynyyd, my answer would be this: NAs have a strong propensity to violence and crime, which itself has a genetical cause.

We are of the apes type, eufrenio!

[eufrenio]

Well, neither you or I are Mynnyd, so what is your explanation?

[Ewig Berter]

eufrenio said:

Well, neither you or I are Mynnyd, so what is your explanation?

Ever heard of the spanish community of Casablanca!?.

[eufrenio]

berther said:

eufrenio said:

Well, neither you or I are Mynnyd, so what is your explanation?

Ever heard of the spanish community of Casablanca!?.

no.