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Post by alaina on Jan 23, 2006 13:16:19 GMT -5
Don't try and play victim. I didn't get angry because you had the opinion that those women aren't black. You insulted me personally first by that last comment in your post, the first quoted. At least I don't try to distance myself like other minorities and play ignorant of black culture to try to appease whites. I don't care if you don't think they are black or not. That insult, and then claiming that Tyra was 'white' because the way she acted--like if a black girl doesn't act 'ghetto' she's not black was personally offensive.
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Post by Agrippa on Jan 23, 2006 13:21:03 GMT -5
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Post by Crimson Guard on Jan 23, 2006 13:24:29 GMT -5
Most if not all, of the North American ,Caribbean and Latin American Negro's are mixed with both white and Amerindian. So alot of these fair skinned and Europoid-looking Blacks you see,are obviously hybrids,including Tyra Banks. These ones are also the only remotely attractive looking ones.
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Post by alaina on Jan 23, 2006 13:26:57 GMT -5
Most other examples shown are obviously mixed, have significant admixture. Doesn't mean anything anymore. Most American blacks would fit in your 'mixed' category.
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Post by Heem on Jan 23, 2006 13:31:33 GMT -5
I forgot about this... Zoe Saldana is latina/mixed and from Latin American country. Eva Pigford is of mixed racial descent. I thought you two would pick a more AA woman than 2 mixed ones. Zoe Saldana do4esn't even have SSA hair. It's silky and straight. What's more AA?
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 23, 2006 13:36:28 GMT -5
Most if not all, of the North American ,Caribbean and Latin American Negro's are mixed with both white and Amerindian. So alot of these fair skinned and Europoid-looking Blacks you see,are obviously hybrids,including Tyra Banks. These ones are also the only remotely attractive looking ones. Shut the hell up you fool, to you every black that isn't Idi Amin looking is a hybrid, how about those Greeks with E and J lineages, are they too hybrids? You're such an irritating bastard when it comes to black people and Africans, only a dumb bastard like you believes east Africans are an archaic mix of Medits and Negroids that started 60,000 years ago, which is funny because Europe and Middle East were full of Neanderthals that looked just like you. To me, all Europeans who don't look like Nords are hybrized bastard offspring since you want to act foolish. tyra banks, yeah very Europoid looking indeed You rotting piece of crap, shut the hell up and crawl back into your hole and die!
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Post by aroundtheworld on Jan 23, 2006 13:37:29 GMT -5
Don't try and play victim. I didn't get angry because you had the opinion that those women aren't black. You insulted me personally first by that last comment in your post, the first quoted. At least I don't try to distance myself like other minorities and play ignorant of black culture to try to appease whites. I don't care if you don't think they are black or not. That insult, and then claiming that Tyra was 'white' because the way she acted--like if a black girl doesn't act 'ghetto' she's not black was personally offensive. Alain now I see you are putting words into my mouth. You totally ignored any definition or explanation I posted. I am sorry if you were personally insulted but I still know deep down in my heart that you would not have attacked me if I was black-plain and simple. I didn't feel I said anything wrong. Again, I said Tyra is "socially white" aka White on paper...white in $$$. White in status. Trying to deduce a combination of emotions and opinions via the internet is futile. Anything can be misinterpreted. I am not "the bad guy". I am not ignorant. I am also not someone sitting behind a computer and reading "statistics" about people. I know what I am-I am a woman of color myself and go through a ton of crap on a daily basis. I see how 'average blacks' act and how they are perceived/reactd to. Again, I have explained what is "average black" and it isn't a Perky, peppy, millionairess model who had 200 magazine covers to her name and has a talk show. that's why I said Tyra is "Socially" White. I NEVER SAID 'AVERAGE BLACK' MEANS GHETTO. PLEASE STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH!!!!!! YOU ASSUMED AND INTERPRETED THAT ABOUT MY STATEMENT. NOWHERE ON DODONA HAVE I EVER SAID ANYTHING SO REMOTELY STEREOTYPICAL. I am still not going to sugar coat it and pretend it doesn't exist. yes there are cultural differences between blacks int he USA. Alaina, you are preaching to the choir on that issue. If you are angry about something else then so be it but I didnt' make any of this personal-none of what I said was directed at anyone.
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 23, 2006 13:39:59 GMT -5
What i find particulary dumb is that people classify AAs as mixed eventhough most of us haven't had a non-black ancestor in our family for at least 6 generations, but a white person with nonwhite ancestry 5 or 6 generations back is still considered as Europoid, stinking hypocrisy.
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Post by Agrippa on Jan 23, 2006 13:40:18 GMT -5
In a book from the 1970's African Americans are mentioned under an own category of Negroids because of the special mixture both of Negrids and with other elements (mainly Europid) which was estimated about 20 percent. Probably I can find the picture (mixed Negroid) and text...
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Post by aroundtheworld on Jan 23, 2006 13:51:42 GMT -5
The bottom line is that the bar has been raised for racial classifications because of slavery. What was "White" or "Other" is now accepted as Black plain and simple. One drop rule pretty much sums it up. When you see photographs of slaves on the plantation in early america they started out as unmixed West AFricans with a sprinkle of mulattos, zambos, and some Moorish people. 100years later there are people looking like mariah Carey making biscuits and gravy and changing diapers and kids looking like Halle Eisenberg running around being illiterate b/c it was illegal for a "Pickinniny" to read. SAD. Compaire unmixed West AFrican slaves to the average black and yes there are similiarities but to "some" NON-AMERICANS and those who choose not to pray in the Church of the One-Drop Rule we see something different. When I see some blacks walking around I see dozens of different ethnicities and cultural groups-not just AFrican-Americans.
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 23, 2006 13:52:38 GMT -5
Planet Asia, I have come to the conclusion that you are completely rude and obnoxious. Your arrogance is "pathetic". I was one of the few on here who defended you but I see now that you don't even deserve this. You think you know everything there is to know about everything Black or African. If you check Tina Knowles' genealogy you will see she is only 1/4 SSA. She is predom. Caucasoid and Amerindian based on PUBLIC COURT/BIRTH RECORDS in Lousianna. Look it up yourself! Why don't you post it and shut up with your lunatic classifications of American blacks. If what you said was true about Tina Knowles, she has the exactly same ancestry as my mother and my mother does consider herself black. Oh no the hell didn't just go there did you? I am a Christian and I do read the Bible everyday and I never insulted you, but you insulted me with your lunatic comment about tyra banks being white, what the hell??? Shut your trap and quit whinning, you started this with your ignorant comment about Tyra banks as if giggling real funny makes a person white. I have al rights to be offended but I was not aggressive, I was putting you in your place for talking out of line. I posted one woman and now you say *ALL* the women I like are mixed with Caucasoid? You don't know what you're talking and all the women I like are 100% African-American or at least come very close to it.
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Post by Agrippa on Jan 23, 2006 13:55:02 GMT -5
What i find particulary dumb is that people classify AAs as mixed eventhough most of us haven't had a non-black ancestor in our family for at least 6 generations, but a white person with nonwhite ancestry 5 or 6 generations back is still considered as Europoid, stinking hypocrisy. There are two categories of "unmixed": Genetic: Almost nobody is totally "pure", even less so in the USA and especially AA. Phenotypically: This means that the admixture really stamped the type, altered it. Now there is the possibility of AA with 1/4 admixture (proven) which still "look pred. Negrid" and on the other those which have no recent admixture but obviously deviate significantly. If we estimate the admixture for the whole population around 20 percent, you can imagine that there must be quite a lot people with Europoid tendencies. Just look at the 3 doctorates, where in SSA do you find such variants? Especially in those regions from which the AA came from. Furthermore we know that certain traits are more often dominant like a narrower nose and narrower face f.e., so while other traits disappear easier (but even the skin color is lighter in many!) those stay longer quite often and might have been selected for over time too to some degree. I think we are on something here because thats the reason you dont want to accept Aethiopids being mixed, it was a similar process, just with more admixture and longer, clearly directed selection in EA, but a similar process had taken place in AA individuals at least. So claiming "black unity" and the Ethiopian (and Egyptian) culture without claiming those is impossible. But facts are facts and since the unmixed AA exist, they are the living examples of how unaltered (phenotypically) Negrids look like and how different those with admixture are. The Bill Cosby show and its cast was a prime example for that pattern. Oftentimes male actors are quite Negrid (like "his son" Malcolm Jamal-Warner, Wesley Snipes and many other actors) whereas most females are mixed (like Lisa Bonet, Halle Barry). Such "black families" on TV are partly a joke (many whites too but the difference is partly not that obvious) since they cast doesnt fit together and they just look foreign to each other... F.e. its ridiculous that Bill Cosby and Phylicia Rashad could have a son like "Theo" - I mean thats like a chance of 1: 1000... Most AA are just a category own, they won't fully fit into Africa neither racially nor culturally.
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Post by Planet Asia on Jan 23, 2006 13:56:08 GMT -5
The bottom line is that the bar has been raised for racial classifications because of slavery. What was "White" or "Other" is now accepted as Black plain and simple. One drop rule pretty much sums it up. When you see photographs of slaves on the plantation in early america they started out as unmixed West AFricans with a sprinkle of mulattos, zambos, and some Moorish people. 100years later there are people looking like mariah Carey making biscuits and gravy and changing diapers and kids looking like Halle Eisenberg running around being illiterate b/c it was illegal for a "Pickinniny" to read. SAD. Compaire unmixed West AFrican slaves to the average black and yes there are similiarities but to "some" NON-AMERICANS and those who choose not to pray in the Church of the One-Drop Rule we see something different. When I see some blacks walking around I see dozens of different ethnicities and cultural groups-not just AFrican-Americans. We are 100% African-American, no more no less and the one drop rule was something that racist peckerwoods placed upon us for fear of having their own blood diluted. Most of us AAs have more than just one drop you ignoramus and I gives a damn about what you see.
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Post by aroundtheworld on Jan 23, 2006 14:03:14 GMT -5
Again, I said Tyra is "socially white" aka White on paper...white in $$$. White in status. Then why did you feel the need to mention the w]ay she acts? Do you think that makes people 'whiter'? Enlighten me, how does the 'average black' act? Again, I have explained what is "average black" and it isn't a Perky, peppy, millionairess model who had 200 magazine covers to her name and has a talk show. that's why I said Tyra is "Socially" White. Yes, and as I recall, you called it 'misinformation'. Is that what you are here to spread? The reason I mentioned Tyra's airheaded bubble behavior and mannerisms is b/c it is in character with someone with privelage. Most black women who are her age(31 and 32) in the USA work, take care of family and are trying to break social barriers. Just like "Average Asians" are more reserved in real life, it's a social norm. Like Planet Asia said, being homosexual is not readily accepted in the Black community. black men tend to not be effiminate and are rarely mistaken as girls(posted in another thread) The socialite, blonde bubbly beach girl stereotype is part of Tyra's persona even tho she is a positive role model, she is a California girl and would have differences in behavior than a black woman from ATlanta or Montgomery, Alabama. Behaviors, mannerisms and public displays come from upbringing. I the bible belt young black girls are taught to stay clean, dress nice and be assertive. Rarely do you see a girl come from a famly where daddy worked hard and mommy worked her butt off and grandmother took them to church and taught them family pride-go around bouncing like a Tigger and twirling their lace-front wig hairs and contradicting themselves about body images and social issues. These women are representative of a group trying to break negative stereotype and push an entire culture forward. Alfre Wooddard, Angela Basset, Joyce Gillison, India Arie, and Oprah are more like "typical" black women IMO than Tyra. Most black women have to work twice as hard than a white woman to geta high level of social staus like in a major corp. or a university or something.
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Post by aroundtheworld on Jan 23, 2006 14:26:52 GMT -5
^^No matter what I say you will find something wrong with it. You are being sarcastic mentioning your 15-year-old sister "giggling". Tyra isn't 15. She's 31/32. Women who run banks, teach school, and raise kids can't get by on giggling and hair-twirling for a living.
Modeling can't be any harder than trying to properly raise 3 children, take night classes, and keep a mortgage paid. I'm sure most women would trade with Tyra's "hard work" modeling life anyday.
I was alone in foreign countries as a teen studying and barely had time to eat or sleep so I don't feel sorry for Tyra nor feels she deserves an award.
Typically or on average most black women her age WORK real jobs. it's a statistical fact. LIke I said you are going to nitpick everything I say to keep confrontation. There is a typical lifestyle for many colors, races, and cultures which just means AVERAGE.
the AVERAGE 15 year old American is in high school.
the Average 32yr old black woman works a job and is not a millionaire model. Your life might be like Tyra's and that might be normal to you, but the thousands of women I deal with-especially black work, take pride in their culture, and achieve personal growth.
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