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Post by Artemisia on Dec 21, 2003 21:14:08 GMT -5
>I'd never propagate extermination of Albanians, they are the >same people as other Balkanians genetically. They are a >>.danger, but only because we didn't deal with them wisely You're wrong! Do you know that many Albanians are of Turkish and Kurdish origin? Do you know that many others are Vlachs? I have the data to prove it! Very few Albanians are descended of Illyrians and they are not as closely related to the Balkan people (at least to the Greeks) as you think. |
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Post by AWAR on Dec 21, 2003 21:19:04 GMT -5
x Hmmm, well then speak for yourself, AWAR!  There are beautiful Albanian girls, I am not denying it, but all the Greek men I know see them as dirty (most of them are!) Only a desperate Greek man who can't find another girl would sleep with an Albanian (or, someone who is a Greek citizen of Albanian origin). That's exactly the problem. By allowing Albanians to live in YOUR society, you make them hate you. Let them live in their own country. I wasn't aware that she's Albanian. she hid the fact, because she thought I might have refused her. You speak like Albanians are inherently unable to wash themselves and to act civilized because of their DNA malfunctioning, I'm saying that they are the same as other humans, they only have a really destructive culture and tradition which prevents them from becoming truly incorporated into Europe. Nobody allowed Albanians into Serbia. They came along with the Turks during the Ottoman days, they stayed there, and corrupt Serb and Macedonian politicians let them do anything they wanted in exchange for money ( which Albanians mostly get from drug and slave trafficking ). |
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Post by AWAR on Dec 21, 2003 21:21:57 GMT -5
>I'd never propagate extermination of Albanians, they are the >same people as other Balkanians genetically. They are a >>.danger, but only because we didn't deal with them wisely You're wrong! Do you know that many Albanians are of Turkish and Kurdish origin? Do you know that many others are Vlachs? I have the data to prove it! Very few Albanians are descended of Illyrians and they are not as closely related to the Balkan people (at least to the Greeks) as you think. I've heard about that, but until I see some very recent and very accurate DNA data, I won't judge about that. In any case, Albanians are caucasoid homo-sapiens no matter how you twist it around, I have profound hatred for what they are culturally and traditionally, but they are not another species. |
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Post by Melnorme on Dec 21, 2003 21:26:04 GMT -5
>I'd never propagate extermination of Albanians, they are the >same people as other Balkanians genetically. They are a >>.danger, but only because we didn't deal with them wisely You're wrong! Do you know that many Albanians are of Turkish and Kurdish origin? Do you know that many others are Vlachs? I have the data to prove it! Very few Albanians are descended of Illyrians and they are not as closely related to the Balkan people (at least to the Greeks) as you think. Turks and Kurds? But Albanians are supposed to be lighter-pigmented than Greeks AND Serbs. How does that figure? |
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Post by AWAR on Dec 21, 2003 21:56:07 GMT -5
Turks and Kurds? But Albanians are supposed to be lighter-pigmented than Greeks AND Serbs. How does that figure? I think only part of Albania is lighter pigmented. It's some sort of sub-racial continuum from North Albania, Montenegro and Herzegovina, where you can find light pigmented UP types. |
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Post by Artemisia on Dec 22, 2003 16:11:29 GMT -5
x I wasn't aware that she's Albanian. she hid the fact, because she thought I might have refused her. You speak like Albanians are inherently unable to wash themselves and to act civilized because of their DNA malfunctioning, I'm saying that they are the same as other humans, they only have a really destructive culture and tradition which prevents them from becoming truly incorporated into Europe. Nobody allowed Albanians into Serbia. They came along with the Turks during the Ottoman days, they stayed there, and corrupt Serb and Macedonian politicians let them do anything they wanted in exchange for money ( which Albanians mostly get from drug and slave trafficking ). Oh, you poor dear, AWAR!  You fell victim to an Albanian lass!  Yeah, they conceal their identities often. They do the same in Greece, and now that they've learned Greek well, it is sometimes difficult to take them for Albanians. Sometimes, they say that they are Yugoslavian or Bulgarian in order for Greeks to accept them. Yes, most Albanian women are dirty....I know them well. Until 1990, most of them didn't know how to shave their legs and when they did learn, it was from Italian or Yugoslavian TV stations. Sorry I'm being a little disgusting here (it's not in my nature), but when I say they're dirty (especially the ones living in N Albania) they really are! What do you expect from a country of 3 million people who sends 100.000 of its women to bordellos every year? Only Moldova is higher on the prostitution list. I know that the "Albanians" in Kosovo settled there during the time of the Ottoman Empire. In fact, most of them are not even Albanians. There's a guy from Montenegro who lives in my block and he says that he is Albanian (my parents are fluent in Albanian and don't understand half of what he's saying!) but in private, he and his wife speak Turkish. Most Albanians are so mixed that they don't know what the heck they are. There are Turks, Persians, Kurds, Afghans, Goths (in N Albania), Slavs, Vlachs, Gypsies, Jews, and Greeks. Their last names are often good indications of their origins.The Illyrian element is almost gone. A famous Albanian linguist called Eqrem Cabej wrote a book where he says that only 700 words in Albanian are of Illyrian origin. And this comes from an Albanian, not a foreigner! If you listen to Albanian and Persian, you will think that they are related languages. I'm not saying that we should destroy the Albanians. All I'm saying is that they should return to their own country; otherwise, the countries where they live now (Italy, Greece, Serbia and Montenegro) will be in big trouble. |
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Post by Praetor on Dec 22, 2003 16:43:56 GMT -5
Are you an Arvanitis? I'm sorry to say, but only an Arvanitis (a Greek citizen of Albanian origin) would say what you said. If Albanian women marry Greek citizens, it is usually Arvanites as very few if any true Greeks would want them. Most Greek men don't even want to sleep with Albanian women....even the ones in brothels were recently sent to Belgium because they had AIDS and were seen as dirty whores! To all the Greeks on this forum: THE ALBANIANS HATE YOU MORE THAN ANYTHING IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!! Get this straight! I've lived in Albania and know their language; they refer to Greeks as "mut" (shit) and call them dogs. And this goes for ALL Greeks!!!! The same problem is true of our Serbian friends, but they seem to know the Albanians better than the Greeks! Arvanitis? I can't trace a single non-greek ancestor of mine in many generations.I 'm no Arvanitis at all.As for Albanians in Albania they might show their real face over there but in dear old Greece they are just poor miserable creatures.And their children usually want to be called Greeks,not Albanians.That is their real tragedy.As for Greek men,those who i know and have married Albanian women are not Arvanites,just elder guys that found some young good looking Albanian meat to marry...sounds cynic.... |
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Post by Praetor on Dec 22, 2003 16:48:40 GMT -5
Turks and Kurds? But Albanians are supposed to be lighter-pigmented than Greeks AND Serbs. How does that figure? Actually Albanians can range from German looking to significantly swarthier than any Greek.And southern ones are more or less strongly related to Greeks from Epirus. |
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Post by Artemisia on Dec 22, 2003 17:11:09 GMT -5
Actually Albanians can range from German looking to significantly swarthier than any Greek.And southern ones are more or less strongly related to Greeks from Epirus. You mean the Vlachs of Epirus! When my family lived in Albania, everyone could tell that they were not Albanian or Vlach. Albanians also have a certain expression on their face which is different from that of Greeks. You can even see it in the Arvanites who are completely Hellenized. Greeks are usually happy-looking and proud, whereas Albanians tend to be a little sour and not very happy-looking. They have larger noses too. Yes, many Albanians do look like Germans, especially the ones from the north. They say the Gothic gene is quite strong in northern Albania. |
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Post by Artemisia on Dec 22, 2003 17:11:55 GMT -5
Arvanitis? I can't trace a single non-greek ancestor of mine in many generations.I 'm no Arvanitis at all.As for Albanians in Albania they might show their real face over there but in dear old Greece they are just poor miserable creatures.And their children usually want to be called Greeks,not Albanians.That is their real tragedy.As for Greek men,those who i know and have married Albanian women are not Arvanites,just elder guys that found some young good looking Albanian meat to marry...sounds cynic.... What part of Greece are you from Praetor? |
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Post by AWAR on Dec 22, 2003 18:20:47 GMT -5
Albanians were Turkish pets, just like Muslim Serbs in Bosnia. No wonder they are very diverse.
I hate their role in the Balkans, but not them, I feel sorry for them as a people.
I too noticed that Albanians have strange faces, remind me of the Aran islanders. This must be from the centuries of inbreeding.
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Post by Artemidoros on Dec 22, 2003 19:39:12 GMT -5
Any data on this would be very much appreciated. So far the evidence I have seen points to the direction of close genetic affinity between Albanians and Greeks. I must agree there are considerable phenotypical differences. I am particularly interested in this because my island has been flooded with Albanians in the past ten years. Almost 15,000 compared with a native population of 38,000. I must say that a considerable number are actually ethnic Greeks from Albania and others are mixed (ethnic Greek husband - Albanian wife or the reverse). Since I do not live there anymore I mostly rely on what friends and relations tell me. Considering the huge influx they do not appear very worried and they co-exist peacefully with the immigrants. There are other nationalities such as Romanians, Bulgarians, Russians and Serbs. The Bulgarians seem to enjoy the best reputation. There must be at least 3,000 EU citizens (some of them only live there part of the year), mainly British. I do not have any recent data on them. The estimate 3,000 is actually 5-6 years old. My best friend on the island teaches electronics at a local high school and is very pleased with his Albanian pupils. On average they work harder than the local kids and they are not spoilt rotten. Of course not everything is rosy. Criminality is soaring (by the low Greek standards). In my opinion it would have happened even if we had the same numbers of angels migrating to that piece of paradise. Here are a couple of links for the Greek speakers with regards to crime in Zakynthos. Just two things: Gun ownership can not be blamed on the Albanians. The Zakynthians are just as mad about weapons as the Cretans and Maniots from whom they draw much of their ancestry. Also the rape victims are invariably foreign tourists and though in some cases the perpetrators were Albanians, they usually are of the same nationality as the victim. www.gozakynthos.gr/gr/contentNews.asp?type=Art&action=&ArticleID=1297&Lang=GRwww.enet.gr/online/online_p1_text.jsp?dt=08/11/2003&c=112&id=60192188,68082492,81862844,18529164 |
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Post by AWAR on Dec 23, 2003 1:19:31 GMT -5
I'm not surprised that there is crime wherver Albanians and Serbs visit ( Bulgarians too ). It's a f*cking huge problem here in Serbia.
Of course, I can't provide any statistics about crime in Serbia, because most of it isn't reported, because people know that police will NEVER help.
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Post by Praetor on Dec 23, 2003 7:35:43 GMT -5
What part of Greece are you from Praetor? My paternal side is from north Messinia and previously in the 17th century from the mountains of Arcadia, while my maternal comes from West (boarders to Euritania,near Karpenisi) and Central Fthiotis. |
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Post by Artemisia on Dec 24, 2003 18:10:03 GMT -5
My paternal side is from north Messinia and previously in the 17th century from the mountains of Arcadia, while my maternal comes from West (boarders to Euritania,near Karpenisi) and Central Fthiotis. Ah, beautiful Arcadia! I do love the place and have several Arcadian friends. Do you still speak with a Tsakonian dialect? Are most of the inhabitants of Karpenisi Vlachs or are they just a large minority? |
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You fell victim to an Albanian lass! 
Yeah, they conceal their identities often. They do the same in Greece, and now that they've learned Greek well, it is sometimes difficult to take them for Albanians. Sometimes, they say that they are Yugoslavian or Bulgarian in order for Greeks to accept them.
