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Post by Pugnox on Dec 16, 2003 22:58:14 GMT -5
Joseph Campbell's concept of the monomyth is not limited to Indo-European peoples. Especially when you are a globalist like Joseph Campbell whose political agenda is to prove that we all are all really exactly the same in the end and all have the same traditions so it really doesn't matter that the Jews and globalists are trying to destroy the white race through mixing with the darker races and feminism... |
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Post by rusalka on Dec 16, 2003 23:11:49 GMT -5
Joseph Campbell's concept of the monomyth is not limited to Indo-European peoples. I'm aware of that, but I'm more interested in his theories about the relationship between Ancient and Modern myth, from an Occidental point of view. I don't think the fact that he has a broader point of view automatically disqualifies him. Middle Earth is certainly a mytography consisting of European elements (but not all of them Indo-European elements) and I wasn't looking for an analysis worldwide. In that sense, Europe is not limited to Indo-European elements, from a cultural perspective as there remain non-IE languages. I'm not well versed enough to discuss an Oriental (or an African) mythology pattern; but if anyone can, I'd be interested to hear that, too. The fact that I'm not interested doesn't make all other bits and pieces of relations or coincidences disappear. |
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Post by rusalka on Dec 16, 2003 23:24:09 GMT -5
Especially when you are a globalist like Joseph Campbell whose political agenda is to prove that we all are all really exactly the same in the end and all have the same traditions so it really doesn't matter that the Jews and globalists are trying to destroy the white race through mixing with the darker races and feminism... I don't think it makes sense to talk about a person's ideology whom you hardly know (me) so freely. I'm not a "globalist"; but I'm not a WN paranoid like you either. You sure do sound troubled though. The "White race" you mention doesn't mean anything to me, I'm not an American. I don't have some great great grandmother from the plantation. Nor do I have a Cherokee second cousin in, well who knows, maybe Nebraska. Not that I would have any trouble with that, if that had been what I was. I'm assuming my ideas of preservation would be concentrated differently, then. But seems to me like you would. And you know what they say about people with phobias. Don't you? |
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Post by Pugnox on Dec 16, 2003 23:50:22 GMT -5
[I don't think it makes sense to talk about a person's ideology whom you hardly know (me) so freely. I'm not a "globalist"; but I'm not a WN paranoid like you either.
Sorry, rusalka, a poor choice of words on my part. I meant to say that Joseph Campbell was the globalist, not you, and the sentence I wrote about it can mean exactly what I meant to say as well, but not ONLY that...
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Post by Pugnox on Dec 16, 2003 23:54:41 GMT -5
Not that I would have any trouble with that, if that had been what I was. I'm assuming my ideas of preservation would be concentrated differently, then. But seems to me like you would. And you know what they say about people with phobias. Don't you? A few of these sentences make no sense at all. What were you honestly trying to say... |
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Post by alex221166 on Dec 17, 2003 21:38:55 GMT -5
Ok, I just saw the movie. IMO it's the worst of the three. It still has one EXCELLENT battle scene. Unfortunately, Liv Tyler and Cate Blanchet only appear in two or three scenes...
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Post by Pugnox on Dec 17, 2003 21:46:03 GMT -5
Ok, I just saw the movie. IMO it's the worst of the three. It still has one EXCELLENT battle scene. Unfortunately, Liv Tyler and Cate Blanchet only appear in two or three scenes... O.K., I'll be serious for a moment. alex, tell us more. I'm going to see it this weekend with my son and have read a review of it in the New York Times that said that with its theme of the cost of victory, it's actually the BEST of the three thus far... |
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Post by alex221166 on Dec 17, 2003 23:06:16 GMT -5
O.K., I'll be serious for a moment. alex, tell us more. I'm going to see it this weekend with my son and have read a review of it in the New York Times that said that with its theme of the cost of victory, it's actually the BEST of the three thus far... Nah, I can't ruin the movie for you guys. It is definitely worth the price of the ticket but the movie is too long (3 hours and 20 minutes), they obviously cut important scenes (Saruman doesn't even show his face). Some of these scenes prevent the viewer from understanding what happens to some characters, they simply disappear. The special fx are top of the notch, as usual, and the battle scenes are pretty good, but sometimes it feels like "Independence Day". I am actually more interested in seeing "The last samurai" than I was for LotR. Samurai movies have the best battle scenes. Kurosawa was an expert in that stuff. |
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Post by Pugnox on Dec 17, 2003 23:14:50 GMT -5
DON'T waste your money on "The Last Samurai" as it's really just "Dances with Wolves" with the Japanese replacing the Indians. This isn't a Japanese type Samurai movie that actually propagates Japanese values, which many of us, no doubt, find intriguing. It's left-wing Hollywood crap at its finest where the white man can do no right and any darker race can do no wrong. Get this, the main character (Tom Cruise) even has a 19th Century case of white guilt. Really sick stuff...
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Post by alex221166 on Dec 18, 2003 8:06:55 GMT -5
DON'T waste your money on "The Last Samurai" as it's really just "Dances with Wolves" with the Japanese replacing the Indians. This isn't a Japanese type Samurai movie that actually propagates Japanese values, which many of us, no doubt, find intriguing. It's left-wing Hollywood crap at its finest where the white man can do no right and any darker race can do no wrong. Get this, the main character (Tom Cruise) even has a 19th Century case of white guilt. Really sick stuff... WTF?!!! Are you serious? Hollywood is a joke! I am SO TIRED of this pollitically correct bs. |
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Post by Melnorme on Dec 18, 2003 8:17:25 GMT -5
WTF?!!! Are you serious? Hollywood is a joke! I am SO TIRED of this pollitically correct bs. Steve Sailer's opinion : "From my review (not on line) in the 12/15/2003 issue of The American Conservative (which should be on newsstands about now) of the new Tom Cruise action blockbuster The Last Samurai:
Perhaps the most memorable character created by Edward Zwick and Marshall Herskovitz for that quintessential 80s' television show thirtysomething was the "samurai advertising man" Miles Drentell, a sinister executive who justified each new swindle with parables drawn from the martial moralists of Japan.
Drentell proved less satiric than prophetic. Today, two-thirds of a century after the Rape of Nanking, these feudal philosophies of violence occupy a revered place in American media culture. Now, Zwick is back (with script assistance from Herskovitz), directing Tom Cruise as an American cavalry captain hired in 1876 to train Japanese peasant soldiers to put down General Saigo's samurai rebellion, but who instead learns to admire the old-fashioned "way of the warrior." The Last Samurai is a lovely looking but staggeringly reactionary $100 million elegy for the good old days when an insulted aristocrat could restore his honor by decapitating an insolent commoner on the spot.
To find out how Zwick completely distorts samurai history to make it politically correct, see my review in The American Conservative." |
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Post by Melnorme on Dec 18, 2003 8:36:02 GMT -5
www.decentfilms.com/commentary/lotr_junket.htmlGimli raises axe for Western civilizationPerhaps the most passionate observations came from John Rhys-Davies, who plays the dwarf Gimli and voices Treebeard the Ent. Focusing on the necessity of defending civilization in times of crisis, Rhys-Davies took the media to task for failing to appreciate the preciousness of Western civilization, and warned of the potential consequences of rising Muslim extremism and the increasingly Islamic face of Europe. “I think that Tolkien says that some generations will be challenged,” said Rhys-Davies, “and if they do not rise to meet that challenge, they will lose their civilization. That does have a real resonance with me.” Pointing a finger at the media, Rhys-Davies went on, “What is unconscionable is that too many of your fellow journalists do not understand how precarious Western civilization is, and what a jewel it is… The abolition of slavery comes from Western democracy. True democracy comes from our Greco-Judeo-Christian Western experience. If we lose these things, then this is a catastrophe for the world.” Rhys-Davies revealed that as far back as 1955 his father had predicted that “the next World War will be between Islam and the West.” The actor recalled his response: “I said to him, ’Dad, you’re nuts! The Crusades have been over for hundreds of years!’ And he said, ’Well, I know, but militant Islam is on the rise again. And you will see it in your lifetime.’ He’s been dead some years now. But there’s not a day that goes by that I don’t think of him and think, ’God, I wish you were here, just so I could tell you that you were right.’” Looking at the lone female journalist at the table, Rhys-Davies said pointedly, “You should not be in this room [according to Muslim custom]. Because your husband or your father or your husband is not here to guide you. You could only be here in this room with these strange men for immoral purposes.” Rhys-Davies went on to contemplate the significance of demographic shifts among Western Europeans and Muslims in Europe. “There is a demographic catastrophe happening in Europe that nobody wants to talk about, that we daren’t bring up because we are so cagey about not offending people racially. And rightly we should be. But there is a cultural thing as well… By 2020, fifty percent of the children in Holland under the age of 18 will be of Muslim descent… “And don’t forget, coupled with this there is this collapse of numbers. Western Europeans are not having any babies. The population of Germany at the end of the century is going to be 56% of what it is now. The populations of France, 52% of what it is now. The population of Italy is going to be down 7 million people. “There is a change happening in the very complexion of Western civilization in Europe that we should think about at least and argue about. If it just means the replacement of one genetic stock with another genetic stock, that doesn’t matter too much. But if it involves the replacement of Western civilization with a different civilization with different cultural values, then it is something we really ought to discuss — because, [hang it all], I am for dead-white-male culture!” His fellow filmmakers might not all agree, but Tolkien would have applauded.
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Post by Pugnox on Dec 18, 2003 13:29:49 GMT -5
Just read in the New York Times review of the Ring that a character says, "By all that we hold dear on this earth, I bid you stand, men of the West!" Unreal! I know I won't leave the theatre with dry eyes...  |
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Post by rusalka on Dec 18, 2003 14:18:31 GMT -5
Just read in the New York Times review of the Ring that a character says, "By all that we hold dear on this earth, I bid you stand, men of the West!" Unreal! I know I won't leave the theatre with dry eyes... I saw the movie yesterday night. I got in at 11.30 and it was 3.30 by the time we got out. It definitely doesn't feel like a long movie though, especially the battle scenes, were awesome. The character to say that, if I recall correctly, was Aragorn, right before the Battle of Black Gates started. The whole movie was very moving, especially the Ride of Rohan, Ride of Gondor and other general Rides by our men of the West. |
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