CI drops by 8 points in Germany since 1944

[Polako]

agrippa said:

Sure it means what he said...

It should be considered if the sample was representative and unchanged - I doubt it. 8 points is just too much I think, though mixture would lead in my opinion to longer average heads too.

I doubt the scientists would be stupid enough to use people of different backgrounds for this report.

However, if they did, then the results are even more startling, because most of the migrants coming into western Germany post WWII were actually from rounder headed populations (like the hyperbrachycephalic Silesian Germans).

[Agrippa]

The combined effect of mixture, different lifestyle might significantly change the average CI, but still 8 points seems to be too extreme in such a short time. Other factors and mistakes of the study must be considered.

[Anja]

polako said:

agrippa said:

Sure it means what he said...

It should be considered if the sample was representative and unchanged - I doubt it. 8 points is just too much I think, though mixture would lead in my opinion to longer average heads too.

I doubt the scientists would be stupid enough to use people of different backgrounds for this report.

However, if they did, then the results are even more startling, because most of the migrants coming into western Germany post WWII were actually from rounder headed populations (like the hyperbrachycephalic Silesian Germans).

That's exactly what I was wondering...German Expulsions in 1945 brought a lot of Germans from parts of Central Eastern/Eastern Europe, and well...they're considered ethnic Germans, but it's likely their populations were subject to mixing at some point.

[Polako]

calico said:

polako said:

I doubt the scientists would be stupid enough to use people of different backgrounds for this report.

However, if they did, then the results are even more startling, because most of the migrants coming into western Germany post WWII were actually from rounder headed populations (like the hyperbrachycephalic Silesian Germans).

That's exactly what I was wondering...German Expulsions in 1945 brought a lot of Germans from parts of Central Eastern/Eastern Europe, and well...they're considered ethnic Germans, but it's likely their populations were subject to mixing at some point.

Well everyone's mixed to an extent, even western Germans. They've got more of a Mediterranean component than the eastern Germans.

But basically, the Silesian Germans were much more Alpine than most Germans (although not more so than Bavarians). On the other hand, the west and east Prussian Germans were blonder and more Nordid/Baltic than most other Germans.

In Poland there's a theory that extreme brachycephaly was introduced during the middle ages by Alpine Germans, who moved to Polish cities in large numbers.

[Agrippa]

In Poland there's a theory that extreme brachycephaly was introduced during the middle ages by Alpine Germans, who moved to Polish cities in large numbers.

It didnt need to be introduced because it was there and the funny thing is that the German side says the opposite, that the Alpinids came with the Slavic influence.

However, most likely they lived in poor mountainous regions beside the Dinaroid spectrum which with they are closely related and expanded in peaceful times as always. So to say, after the fights were over they came out of their retreats and introduced their genes into the now stable populations again what lead to Alpinisation together with the selective pressures I spoke about many times.

Polish Alpinids seem to be to a much higher degree Eastalpinid, which has a fluent border to Baltids anyway. So they might have come mainly from the Carpathian regions and Southern Poland. This was recognised anyways since the North had the stratification Nordid-Baltid the South Dinarid-Alpinid, with the former element being usually stronger in the upper class...