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Post by Ewig Berter on Dec 28, 2005 16:49:16 GMT -5
Pictures worth thousand words ... (1) Capsian Girl  (2) Cromagnoid kids  (3) Mostly Cromagnoid old woman  (4) Mixed (Cap+Cro) old woman  |
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 28, 2005 16:53:34 GMT -5
The major racial types in Northwestern Africa are Robust North African Caucasoid (Berberid), Gracile North African Caucasoid (Saharid), Middle Eastern Caucasoid (Arabid), Elongated West African Negroid (Sahelid), Broad West African Negroid (Sudanid), and all the mixtures and hybridizations in between (Tuareg). That is all. *flings cape and vanishes*
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Post by Ewig Berter on Dec 28, 2005 16:59:18 GMT -5
I reserve the term berberid for all the authentically amazigh types. Mathematically:
Berberids= {Old Cromagnoid Amazighs; Capsids}.
Thats the capsid type again.
Those are recent caucasoid invaders, Not elements of the amazigh core.
Minority and were historically brought as slaves like in all the caucasoid world.
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Post by Ewig Berter on Dec 28, 2005 17:00:17 GMT -5
The Bible is closed, Charlie!
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Post by Planet Asia on Dec 28, 2005 17:05:00 GMT -5
Capsid? What kind of pseudo-term is that? It doesn't even exist. Those physical remains associated with capsians belonged to the "Mekta" type, but were variable enough not to constitute one people. Mekta type people weren't solely Cro-Mags and to demonstrate my point that they people don't cluster with modern North Africans, look at this: ![]() tinypic.com/j9x3yt.jpg [/img]   On none of these plots do Berbers cluster with Upper Paleolithic Europeans, not even the Algerian Neolithic, Afalou and Taforalt cluster anyplace near Cro-Magnons so your theory is bogus Berter. |
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Post by Planet Asia on Dec 28, 2005 17:10:22 GMT -5
 Cro-Magnoid, yup.[insert rolling eyes here] |
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 28, 2005 17:11:54 GMT -5
I reserve the term berberid for all the authentically amazigh types. Mathematically: Berberids= {Old Cromagnoid Amazighs; Capsids}. Well, I can't go along with you there. In conventional Dodona terminology, Berberid is the specific robust type (Zidane, Qaddafi). Using it to represent all Amazigh regardless of type confuses things in my opinion. Agrippa has spoken on this before. It's necessary to have a clear system to avoid confusion. Thats the capsid type again. Yeah, I understand Charlie has been arguing with you over this label. It doesn't really bother me, though I prefer Saharid. Those are recent caucasoid invaders, Not elements of the amazigh core. Indeed, I absolutely agree. I would be really curious to know just how prominent their presence really is in the modern population, but I guess I'll never know. Minority and were historically brought as slaves like in all the caucasoid world. For the Sudanids, maybe. Not sure about the elongated ones, though, cause the Caucasoid Berbers apparently had no problem mixing with such people (thus producing intermediates as seen in the Tuareg). |
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Post by atlantis on Dec 28, 2005 18:35:38 GMT -5
I reserve the term berberid for all the authentically amazigh types. Mathematically: Berberids= {Old Cromagnoid Amazighs; Capsids}. Well, I can't go along with you there. In conventional Dodona terminology, Berberid is the specific robust type (Zidane, Qaddafi). Using it to represent all Amazigh regardless of type confuses things in my opinion. Agrippa has spoken on this before. It's necessary to have a clear system to avoid confusion. No, it is very important to distingiush like Berter suggested. Dr Coon succeeded to do this in his research on the Riffian Berbers. Saharid is only dominant in Algeria and Libya and not North Africa as a whole. Very simple. The least mixed Berbers live in the Mountains of the Atlas (Rif, Aures-Kabylia, Atlas, Souss) and the mixed ones live in the cities and plains of North Africa. |
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 28, 2005 18:55:17 GMT -5
No, it is very important to distingiush like Berter suggested. Dr Coon succeeded to do this in his research on the Riffian Berbers. That's what I said. It's important to distinguish. |
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Post by atlantis on Dec 28, 2005 19:12:57 GMT -5
No, it is very important to distingiush like Berter suggested. Dr Coon succeeded to do this in his research on the Riffian Berbers. That's what I said. It's important to distinguish. I guess I miss-read. Sorry  |
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Post by Ewig Berter on Dec 29, 2005 14:23:00 GMT -5
Charlie,
Do you think this is the interpretation you should do of these diagrams!?
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Post by nymos on Dec 29, 2005 16:04:47 GMT -5
Shouldn't it be Berberids = Old Cromag Amazighs U Capsids ? mathematically  |
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Post by Ewig Berter on Dec 31, 2005 9:01:40 GMT -5
Shouldn't it be Berberids = Old Cromag Amazighs U Capsids ? mathematically Your formula defines the Berberid set as a set of elements while mine sees it as a set of sub-sets. |
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Post by gambin on Jan 1, 2006 17:43:22 GMT -5
those capsid and cromagnid old women look like many women i seen in those old calabrian siclian pictures that used to be show in older forum.
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Post by Edwin on Jan 4, 2006 2:29:09 GMT -5
The Berbers truly are a handsome people. At some point my government will see the value in building up their territory. Why Egypt gets 15 billion a year + priceless security and the Berbers get nothing needs to be answered and remedied. I'll speak up when I have the chance. A strong US presence in North Africa has been needed for ages, and once established the region will again become central.
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