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Post by One Humanity on Dec 28, 2005 11:26:39 GMT -5
Veddoids are they those dark ass Middle Easterners with huge ass eyebrows that Abdul loves to post. Veddids don't have visible eyebrows at all.
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Post by $$$ FD $$$ on Dec 28, 2005 12:58:59 GMT -5
how would a weddid be described?
typically short to medium height the arms and legs are long, the trunk is short central adiposity - pyknikid indids linear sinewy somatotype broad funnel shaped noses with long nasal bones the somatotype has a bandy legged walking character the somatotype is also squatty.
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Post by $$$ FD $$$ on Dec 28, 2005 13:02:02 GMT -5
i will also add that weddis are atleast partially protomorphic - in individual cases not clearly indid - gracile, indo melanid, or arabid.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 28, 2005 13:02:11 GMT -5
Is the straight, wavy, or ringleted hair form more common?
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Post by $$$ FD $$$ on Dec 28, 2005 13:09:25 GMT -5
well from all those sri lankans it was straight, in some individuals it is thick and wavy indicative of a mutative tendency.
frankly i don't know at what point weddids border in on indo melanids and at what point they border out - not certain at all (there are high faced leptorrhine types of indo melanids also) - it just seems that people with the assorted collection of traits that i posted above are comparatively recessive (recessive features) (through amalgamation - absorption) within a greater mass society like in the bengal - bangladesh for example.
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Post by RUDRA on Dec 28, 2005 14:23:09 GMT -5
Yep, this may have been what happened in middle-east, south-arabia, and maybe even north-east-africa
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Post by wadad on Dec 28, 2005 14:41:02 GMT -5
Yep, this may have been what happened in middle-east, south-arabia, and maybe even north-east-africa I dunno rudra, I think ibra convinced me otherwise! After your classification of my pic and your points about the weird Socotroans/Mahra Yemenis, I conceded that my phenotype and a few other North-East Africans' was due to the mythical Veddoe admixture. However, Ibra's explanation makes more sense...so called veddoid/veddoid mixed folk are either: "1. Recent immigrants from India, to Arabia. 2. Admixture from South Pakistan, seen in South East Iran. 3. Primitive ME types, well documented by Anthropologists. 4. East African admixed individuals 5. Individuals adapted to temperate environment like Indians" I'd say one of these is the real reason sometimes the occassional pseudo-veddoe East African pops up
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Post by RUDRA on Dec 28, 2005 14:55:21 GMT -5
Veddoids are they those dark ass Middle Easterners with huge ass eyebrows that Abdul loves to post. Yep abdul loves to show pictures of mixed arabs, and pase them of as real arabs. While the real ones (royal family) he says are mixed with northern middle-easterns (TURKS). arent veddoids those sri lankan tribals and shit or the aboriginal austral types ? no one really makes this clear Let me make this simple. Pure Arabs: www.ksafe.com/profiles/images/0130.jpg [/img] Mixed Arabs(with veddoid):
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Post by RUDRA on Dec 28, 2005 15:46:12 GMT -5
The people in Iran are Caucasoid, and the people in India+ South Pakistan are their own race, simple as that. Its not that simple, as you say it is. What makes you think you explained India's complex racial situation. Indian people aren't what I call pure Caucasoid, but there is very important West-Eurasian influence in Indian, that can't just be thrown out. Just because you feel like it. Stop misinterpreting India, its insulting for those Indians, who were born and raised in India (Who have really seen india's diversity, and not just read about it). You got this wrong also. The ethnically sandwiched areas, are southern most of Pakistan, Gujarat, Western Rajastan, Haryana, and Uttaranchal. Plus the peoples living in north-west india + Afghanistan are'nt just a mix of persians and Indians, they are a people on their own. You can't compair iran, with all of india. India is over-populated and racially diverse, not the same as iran. Plus classic indian Haplogroups M & R, drops down to 25% to 20% in north-western India, making them mostly western eurasian gentically. What get me the most is, westerns come to india in general, and leave without complete studying the country. There seems to be so many myths, taken as reality, in India's history, politics, cultures, religions, races, and even genetics. So many people feel that they understand India, when in fact they don't.
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Post by RUDRA on Dec 28, 2005 15:53:55 GMT -5
Pretty much agreed Ibra. There are not many veddoid-like ppls to begin with in the ME. But the real issue is there is no real substantial study of Iran or those parts of the ME. I guess nobody has real taken much interest in this area. I would want to some day, but I dunno... Even good Anthropologist just gloss over this area, without particular regard. Coon in states that Aborigine-looking ppls in SE Iran occur in very very small numbers, but does not go into anymore detail unfortunately. Seems like many places outside of Europe barely get studied at all. And thats the biggest problem, they don't get studied, and if they do, its half the work (in-complete). When It comes to Europe, everything gets worked out. But in India, It will take a longer time. So If guys like Ibra, thinks they have it all figured out, then he/she has to think again
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Post by RUDRA on Dec 28, 2005 16:39:13 GMT -5
Yep, this may have been what happened in middle-east, south-arabia, and maybe even north-east-africa I dunno rudra, I think ibra convinced me otherwise! After your classification of my pic and your points about the weird Socotroans/Mahra Yemenis, I conceded that my phenotype and a few other North-East Africans' was due to the mythical Veddoe admixture. I am not here to attack Ibra, because he has made many good points in the past. But many of his theories on India, aren't completely worked out. From what I read, modern india didn't have much genetic effect on Arabian populations. Because if they did, we would have heard about this already. Same goes with east-africa, indians didn't do much for them either. This I can believe some-what, but this influence ends at the persian gulf (Its pretty small amount also), and it can't explain southern arabia and Socotroans. To me, Socotroans/Mahra Yemenis are the primitive ME types. Haplogroup M1 could be linked to these peoples. East Africans may not be related to modern indians, but they are related to indians looking Socotroans/Mahra Yemenis. Enviroment in india, is not the same as southern arabia. Pseudo-veddoe look in East africa and southern arabia, could be ancient asian migration, that started from Middle-east and ended up in east-africa. Primitive ME type may not be from india, but both may still be distant cosines, with a simlar origin.
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Post by Siafu X on Jan 1, 2006 1:55:52 GMT -5
how would you compare my mom and little cousin who are both from south india[Kerala] they dont really fit into the Veddoid sterotype.
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Post by $$$ FD $$$ on Jan 2, 2006 14:10:20 GMT -5
there really is no such thing as 'vanishing veddoids' as the continent of south asia is typically even primarily a protomorphical sub continent and in this sense indians in general are protomorphic indids characteristically.
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Post by Siafu X on Jan 2, 2006 14:26:44 GMT -5
i was not talking about India i was talking about Iran and Central Asia wen i said "Vanishing" because to me they are not really found there anymore so if you have any info about what happened to Veddoids or their ancestors wicheva 1 in Iran or centra asia please post it thnk u
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Post by $$$ FD $$$ on Jan 2, 2006 14:46:35 GMT -5
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